Why are HG dedicated servers so expensive?

miktor · #1 04-08-2008, 04:50 PM

I was wondering what makes HostGator dedicated servers so expensive.

Many different hosts have much better prices for dedicated servers.

Rockoids · #2 04-08-2008, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by miktor

I was wondering what makes HostGator dedicated servers so expensive.

Many different hosts have much better prices for dedicated servers.

Compare bandwidth and the fact that HostGator's servers are managed. That, alone, is worth $30 to $75 per month. And it's worth it.

gwyneth · #3 04-08-2008, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockoids

Compare bandwidth and the fact that HostGator's servers are managed. That, alone, is worth $30 to $75 per month. And it's worth it.

Don't forget the cPanel license you get for as many accounts as you care to set up...that would cost $30 somewhere else.

Remember: a) you get what you pay for; b) by the time you pay for the pieces somewhere else, it may not be such a bargain...be sure to read the asterisked text and the fine print.

Rockoids · #4 04-08-2008, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by gwyneth

Don't forget the cPanel license you get for as many accounts as you care to set up...that would cost $30 somewhere else.

Remember: a) you get what you pay for; b) by the time you pay for the pieces somewhere else, it may not be such a bargain...be sure to read the asterisked text and the fine print.

Yes, that too. With some other hosts, it's ala carte, and when you add it all up, the prices are the same or higher.

gwyneth · #5 04-08-2008, 05:23 PM

And while there's no charge for the dedicated server subfora here, they are literally priceless.

Serra · #6 04-08-2008, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by miktor

I was wondering what makes HostGator dedicated servers so expensive.

Many different hosts have much better prices for dedicated servers.

Do a search, I spelled out the price difference between several hosts in one of my posts. Basically, HG was about $30.00 more expensive than the average unmanaged server at the same power range.

Don't be fooled by servers costing less than $150.00 per month. I found an ad for servers for $40.00 a month. Sounded great... but after I got to the final price, it was more like $100 and the server was so underpowered it wasn't worth $40.00 a month.

The only real way to beat HG's prices is to go unmanaged and to grab one of thePlanet's specials. They are still running double down and you can get a really nice server for about $60.00 less a month than HG's, but is a special offer on an unmanaged server. Those deals will not work for MOST people as unmanaged is not a good way for most people to go.

whatrevolution · #7 04-08-2008, 08:48 PM

The Planet, HostGator's data center, offers unmanaged dedicated servers which essentially come without anything on them; unless you pay The Planet to do so. In buying from HostGator, you are paying HostGator to do that and much more (though I'm sure they lean on The Planet a bit for help, which is clearly reasonable), then make sure that software stays up to date and operational.

I know someone who works at The Planet, and we both agree that the HG deal is worth the markup price, if not more.

***GatorJoshL*** · #8 04-08-2008, 11:03 PM

As stated in the thread, you get what you pay for. It's like going out and buying the cheapest pair of tires for your car. Sure they work but for how long? And can you rely on them?

-Josh

#9 04-09-2008, 11:13 AM

Making a true like for like comparison Hostgator are definitely not expensive for dedicated hosting.

I have looked around the UK and USA sites for several weeks and while some seem cheaper they actually are not as they do not give anything like the same content and support level.

Maybe you are looking at VPS or semi dedicated prices.

Rockoids · #10 04-09-2008, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by CareyCrew

Making a true like for like comparison Hostgator are definitely not expensive for dedicated hosting.

I have looked around the UK and USA sites for several weeks and while some seem cheaper they actually are not as they do not give anything like the same content and support level.

Maybe you are looking at VPS or semi dedicated prices.

Make that "HostGator is definitely not expensive," since we're talking of a single entity, a company, as opposed to a group or a number of companies.

#11 04-09-2008, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockoids

Make that "HostGator is definitely not expensive," since we're talking of a single entity, a company, as opposed to a group or a number of companies.

Umm.... no it is definitely are not expensive.......

.............. "Welcome to the Hostgator Family" .........

family...... group.....

Pitrow · #12 04-09-2008, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CareyCrew

Umm.... no it is definitely are not expensive.......

.............. "Welcome to the Hostgator Family" .........

family...... group.....

It's the difference between US and UK English. In UK English, groups, companies and such are plural entities (made of a bunch of people), so "HostGator are...", in US English they are singular entities (it's one company), so "HostGator is...". They are both correct depending on where you're at. Same as "color" vs. "colour"

gwyneth · #13 04-09-2008, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitrow

It's the difference between US and UK English. In UK English, groups, companies and such are plural entities (made of a bunch of people), so "HostGator are...", in US English they are singular entities (it's one company), so "HostGator is...". They are both correct depending on where you're at. Same as "color" vs. "colour"

Collective nouns. A zillion years ago, one way we screened out prospective (U.S.) reporters was looking for the combination of a collective noun and plural pronoun in their sample clippings. A sports editor I once knew could throw a mighty impressive temper tantrum that started with a mutter: "a team is not a 'they'..."

skeetr · #14 04-09-2008, 01:56 PM

I love how the grammar police got everyone else off topic so fast

:-P

gwyneth · #15 04-09-2008, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by skeetr

I love how the grammar police got everyone else off topic so fast

I'm sorry. In any case, another argument for dedis from HG (in addition to the same pluses and minuses that would apply to all other HG plans) would be the known availability of advanced knowledge. This wouldn't be necessary for typical support issues, even with a dedi, but when a dedi has a real problem, it can be a whopper.

gtgeorge · #16 04-09-2008, 03:25 PM

Yea, if HG was really much higher for the same quality and features, I would be elsewhere quickly. I don't use the managed part and will judge them if/when there is a hardware issue. I am worried it would fall into one of those 5 hour response times to even view the ticket!

Hence the need for a dedicated support system.

skeetr · #17 04-09-2008, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by skeetr

I love how the grammar police got everyone else off topic so fast

:-P

This was meant as just plain kidding you all.....never wanted anyone to be sorry.....

ghpk · #18 04-09-2008, 03:46 PM

if you consider the quality of network, hardware, support you get with hostgator dedicated, the pricing would overall come to much cheaper than pains of running a server on mercy of some stupid 3rd party server admins.

Dimwhit · #19 04-10-2008, 04:10 PM

I don't mind the price the much (if I ever get one), but I'm a little surprised at how small the hard drives are. 80GB for the $179/month plan? The highest reseller plan offers 100GB of space. With hard drives so cheap, I wonder why so little is included. Some goes for the 1GB RAM.

But then, I haven't looked into dedicated much, yet.

Rockoids · #20 04-10-2008, 04:18 PM

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I don't mind the price the much (if I ever get one), but I'm a little surprised at how small the hard drives are. 80GB for the $179/month plan? The highest reseller plan offers 100GB of space. With hard drives so cheap, I wonder why so little is included. Some goes for the 1GB RAM.

But then, I haven't looked into dedicated much, yet.

Actually, unless you have awfully large files, 80GB is more than enough. My Elite plan has a pair of 80GB drives. I use the secondary as a backup -- and BQBackup for offsite backups -- and the space is more than sufficient. I have four popular sites, including two online radio shows, and I am only at 16GB, and that includes the operating system.

As to the amount of RAM you need, 1GB is adequate and consistent with low-end servers. This isn't Windows we're talking about here. It's Linux and its resource needs are far less.

kmaw · #21 04-10-2008, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockoids

As to the amount of RAM you need, 1GB is adequate and consistent with low-end servers. This isn't Windows we're talking about here. It's Linux and its resource needs are far less.

I have 4GB (one of the older Elite packages) and with 90% of my 60 sites being DB driven and with MailScanner and during cpanel updates I still can barely get the load to 1... 1 split 4 ways isn't a heck of a lot

ghpk · #22 04-10-2008, 05:53 PM

you don't use up that much space easily, unless you have lot of shared clients on the box.

You can always add upto 3 additional HDD's to the default one.

alemcherry · #23 04-11-2008, 11:36 AM

If you compare managed servers, hostgator is very economical. When it comes to dedis, hostgator should be compared to liquidweb, instead of a godaddy/theplanet. Paying $50 extra for managed services is actually cheap if you consider the hourly rates of a system admin.

Rockoids · #24 04-11-2008, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by alemcherry

If you compare managed servers, hostgator is very economical. When it comes to dedis, hostgator should be compared to liquidweb, instead of a godaddy/theplanet. Paying $50 extra for managed services is actually cheap if you consider the hourly rates of a system admin.

And consider the cost and aggravation the first time you have a serious problem.