VPS again

cjnoyes · #1 10-02-2006, 02:41 PM

I want to open the issue of VPS hosting again. I noticed that ThePlanet's sister company does VPS, perhaps ThePlanet could help get gator setup with it if they in-house know how to do it. There are those of us who aren't ready for the dedicated in terms of costs, but really need the isolation that VPS or dedicated could offer.

Eric · #2 10-02-2006, 03:47 PM

I agree, I would like to see HostGator offer VPS. BTW, which sister company offers vps?

cjnoyes · #3 10-02-2006, 04:16 PM

Theplanet's sister company ev1

kmaw · #4 10-02-2006, 08:22 PM

For those of us not sure... how do VPS and semi-dedicated differ?

Eric · #5 10-02-2006, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by kmaw

For those of us not sure... how do VPS and semi-dedicated differ?

A dedicated server is an actual system you have all to yourself. Its your own server (whole computer) to yourself. A VPS (virtual private server) is basically a server within a server, meaning that you have your own operating system, mysql, etc to yourself but your still sharing the actual server with other people. All the vps' on one server use the same processor too.

Not sure if I said that right or not... someone feel free to make it sound better.

slapshotw · #6 10-02-2006, 10:13 PM

In a semi-dedicated environment, it's just a typical shared server setup, with each customer getting a piece of the server pie. They share one apache process and one OS, and nobody has root access (on HG at least).

In a VPS, it's as if multiple OSes (and hence apache, exim, etc...) are all running on the same hardware. You share no piece of software with the other people on the server, you're literally just sharing hardware. If you have to restart the OS or apache or something, it won't affect anybody else.

Also, when you send mail, it sends from your own IP, not the main mail IP that everyone uses in a shared environment. So, if someone on the server gets blacklisted, it doesn't affect you.

I hope that helps, let me know if I wasn't clear about something.

-Matt

kmaw · #7 10-03-2006, 12:21 AM

Good, thanks for the explanation Matt. Sounds like a VPS would be something between a semi-dedicated and a dedicated.

slapshotw · #8 10-03-2006, 02:15 AM

No problem!

For most people who get a VPS, the biggest factor for it is that they get root access and can install services and such. It's like having a dedicated with less bandwidth and hard drive space than a typical dedicated.

-Matt

cjnoyes · #9 10-03-2006, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Eric

A dedicated server is an actual system you have all to yourself. Its your own server (whole computer) to yourself. A VPS (virtual private server) is basically a server within a server, meaning that you have your own operating system, mysql, etc to yourself but your still sharing the actual server with other people. All the vps' on one server use the same processor too.

Not sure if I said that right or not... someone feel free to make it sound better.

With a VPS you are completely isolated from the rest of the server you have your own exim, apache, php, etc you also have root and shell access

Serra · #10 10-03-2006, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by cjnoyes

With a VPS you are completely isolated from the rest of the server you have your own exim, apache, php, etc you also have root and shell access

That is a big advantage for the users, but it does jack up the price because the sever can't run as many exim, apache.... as it can accounts on a normal server, plus the VPS software is a little expensive as well. This tends the put the price up to a point where it isn't so attractive.

If someone is willing to pay extra to share a server, then let them, but dedicated is better, faster and only a bit more expensive in some cases.

slapshotw · #11 10-03-2006, 02:01 PM

Serra,

I've seen VPS solutions for $20, $40, and $60 from reputable names. They obviously don't have the resources of a dedicated server, but for the person who needs limited resources and needs root and the ability to run services, I believe it's a good option.

-Matt

slapshotw · #12 10-03-2006, 02:02 PM

But let me add that I agree with you- on a cost/performance basis, dedis are much better deals.

cjnoyes · #13 10-03-2006, 02:11 PM

In an ideal world, a dedicated would be the way to go, but for me, I would pay a bit more to get off of a shared server, but dedicated is not feasible for some time.

Serra · #14 10-03-2006, 05:39 PM

Semi-dedicated is a good way to get off a shared server. It doesn't give you all of the things like your own IP and root, but it does eliminate much of the shared problem.

If you are a reseller, that isn't an option. Of course, dedicated is the only option for a reseller.

I'm not sure a $20.00 VPS solution would be all that good. I've seen them for good prices, and if root is required, then it would be a deal. I'm not sure that HG needs to add VPS as an option, it would be nice for those that need it.

tomowa · #15 10-03-2006, 07:44 PM

What I would like to see, is a re-seller 'semi-dedicated', where HG would put 4 re-sellers per server, at say $75 a month (or less

). Split the space and bandwidth of a dedicated 4 ways.
I would think at that price, you would have 'reputable' clients not those looking to cause trouble, as that type will go for $6 shared plans.

Tom

kmaw · #16 10-03-2006, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by tomowa

What I would like to see, is a re-seller 'semi-dedicated', where HG would put 4 re-sellers per server, at say $75 a month (or less

).

Probably one of those 'easier said than done things'.

vtrain · #17 10-04-2006, 03:06 AM

a reputable VPS host in WHT forums is PowerVPS. The prices are not twenty something but more expensive. Their support is fair but not fully managed like in HG. You can choose the from several admin panels (cpanel included).

Vtrain

cjnoyes · #18 10-04-2006, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Serra

Semi-dedicated is a good way to get off a shared server. It doesn't give you all of the things like your own IP and root, but it does eliminate much of the shared problem.

If you are a reseller, that isn't an option. Of course, dedicated is the only option for a reseller.

I'm not sure a $20.00 VPS solution would be all that good. I've seen them for good prices, and if root is required, then it would be a deal. I'm not sure that HG needs to add VPS as an option, it would be nice for those that need it.

See for me the issue is Root and own mail server and ip, I would pay more like 40-50 for VPS if they had it with Cpanel, which needs more resources.

The cheap ones tend to have limited ram and cpu available, so can't run cpanel and need to run something like plesk or virtualmin

tomowa · #19 10-05-2006, 11:45 PM

Gee, I should have thrown out $65 and see what I got

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Thanks Serra, let me give it some thought, and think out whatever issues.
One is, how is HG gonna feel, when a customer of theirs, poaches a different customer of theirs. But then, if they don't offer what the customer is looking for, can they complain

The hosting I do is just for family, friends and business's here in town (just to tick off my local ISP, who thinks he should have everything

). I would never consider hosting someone who stumbled upon me wanting hosting. I'm just wanting something that has less potential for problems, than the server Volvo I'm on, and it's 1800+ domains....

Boy has this gone off topic

I'll be in touch,

Tom

slapshotw · #20 10-06-2006, 01:26 AM

If they complain, tell them you went with the solution that wouldn't see you on a blacklist because of some random prick all the time.

kmaw · #21 10-06-2006, 06:52 AM

HG's thoughts would be the least of my worries...

tomowa · #22 10-06-2006, 10:38 AM

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Probably one of those 'easier said than done things'.

It shouldn't be, they already offer semi-dedicated shared plan, supposedly with only 3 accounts (plus all those accounts add-on domains). Why not just make a plan with 3 re-seller accounts on it instead of shared accounts. Same thing will end up on the server, but every domain on it would be able to have it's own cpanel that way.
The host I left a year ago to come here offers them http://www.totalchoicehosting.com/we...dedicated.html. I like HG better though, the pricing is a bit cheaper here, but mostly I found their staff while on the outside all bubbly and friendly (note all the 'happy birthdays' to their customers on the forum), they are really kinda 'snooty'. Plus their forum's are heavily censored, unlike here at HG where'd I hazzard a guess 99% of posts stay here, not removed, whether good or bad.

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HG's thoughts would be the least of my worries...

What would be?

I concern of mine, would be I would lose direct access to HG support, as my support would then be through Serra. Not that I have had to use support much, but I'm sure Serra has enough work to keep himself busy.
But then there is on the upsaide, direct access to Serra, to the man who is quite knowledgable about servers and hosting

kmaw · #23 10-06-2006, 12:55 PM

I would think that as long as you're one of his customers you would be well looked after. I'd rather have him help me half of the time instead of some of the techs anyways.

ltaylor · #24 11-28-2006, 09:44 PM

What about power and speed vrs a shared?

I found something interesting from a well known Reputable Host.
VPS - 20 GB, 200GB Bandwith (reseller hosting) for $60.00.

I have the Silver RS here for 49.99 on shared.
10GB, 100 GB Bandwith

It almost sounds too good to be true?

#25 11-28-2006, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ltaylor

What about power and speed vrs a shared?

I found something interesting from a well known Reputable Host.
VPS - 20 GB, 200GB Bandwith (reseller hosting) for $60.00.

I have the Silver RS here for 49.99 on shared.
10GB, 100 GB Bandwith

It almost sounds too good to be true?

Bandwidth and space allocation have nothing to do with power and speed. You will NOT get the same level of performance and power out of a VPS if you're migrating from one of our shared servers.

There's no comparing VPS and shared -- they're apples and oranges.