Using to many server resources...

[90civicrider]

Ok, so here's my problem.

I'm in the stages of developing a fairly huge php/mySQL website, Now I've seen multiple post's that say if I use too many server resources they will just cutt me off without any notification.
Now this is a HUGE HUGE problem for me, I need ample time to properly move my site. Any database entrys lost would be detrimental to the starting of my new company.

Why dont I go with a VPS, or Dedicated?? Because I can't afford it.. And this website will be providing a FREE service. I also do not know how popular the site will become. I plan on starting out with shared hosting and IF/WHEN needed upgrade to a VPS or dedicated solution.

Could I have your opinions on this?

Thanks,
- Jeff

[Goddess Dix]

Originally Posted by 90civicrider

OK, so here's my problem.

I'm in the stages of developing a fairly huge php/mySQL website, Now I've seen multiple post's that say if I use too many server resources they will just cutt me off without any notification.
Now this is a HUGE HUGE problem for me, I need ample time to properly move my site. Any database entrys lost would be detrimental to the starting of my new company.

Why dont I go with a VPS, or Dedicated?? Because I can't afford it.. And this website will be providing a FREE service. I also do not know how popular the site will become. I plan on starting out with shared hosting and IF/WHEN needed upgrade to a VPS or dedicated solution.

Could I have your opinions on this?

Thanks,
- Jeff

Hello Jeff.

My guess is that you're putting the cart before the horse here. While I admire your optimism, it seems unlikely to me that your site's popularity will grow so quickly overnight that the site will crash before you have any warning of the need to update.

Now, you're by far not the only person to worry about this. It amazes me how many people are completely convinced they will put it up and the masses will descend immediately. I guess it could happen, but that's got to be the exception instead of the rule.

But think about this: would you want to be with a host that did NOT shut down sites crashing the server for the other shared clients? How would you feel about it if it were your site that was trashed because one of your neighbors hogged all the CPU resources and HG was giving them warnings instead of shutting them down until it could be resolved?

You can't expect to have the whole server to yourself unless you pay for the whole server, you know? I understand budgeting concerns. But if you're not big enough to justify the expense yet, then you're not big enough to need it yet, most likely.

If your code is solid for your site, it's not going to go berserk as soon as you get more than 100 people online anyway. So whatever you're installing, make sure its configured properly and it's good code. If you keep your scripts up to date, that's a huge part of avoiding that to begin with. Know what you're doing. Check with HG if you're concerned about resources, and stay on top of what's up with your site. If you're a little proactive, you can most likely avoid any issue.

You see talk about sites being shut down, but that's because when somebody does get shut down, much of the time they holler like a banshee a and post everywhere they can think of to complain and "get back" at HG. Personally, it think it's asinine.

HG doesn't want to shut down sites for kicks, at least I'm assuming. They are not in the business of teasing hosting clients and then jerking out the rug, you know? But in a shared environment, they are looking out for the good of all clients, not just for a single client who is not yet ready to lay out the cash for a dedicated.

I've had several hosts over the last several years. HG is the best I've had thusfar, including the responsiveness of support. (Not perfect, no, but the best so far). I would reccomend 'em without hesitation.

[riostyles]

Originally Posted by 90civicrider

Ok, so here's my problem.

I'm in the stages of developing a fairly huge php/mySQL website, Now I've seen multiple post's that say if I use too many server resources they will just cutt me off without any notification.
Now this is a HUGE HUGE problem for me, I need ample time to properly move my site. Any database entrys lost would be detrimental to the starting of my new company.

Why dont I go with a VPS, or Dedicated?? Because I can't afford it.. And this website will be providing a FREE service. I also do not know how popular the site will become. I plan on starting out with shared hosting and IF/WHEN needed upgrade to a VPS or dedicated solution.

Could I have your opinions on this?

Thanks,
- Jeff

The size of the site do not make any difference. Only the number of simultaneous connections are or can be the problem. Believing your scripts are clean, and undersatanding tou are starting, start and just grow with the connections/use.
If you have so much of them yhat you need a VPS/dedicated server, find a sponsor. do money with or sponsor yourself.

[Serra]

Originally Posted by 90civicrider

Why dont I go with a VPS, or Dedicated?? Because I can't afford it..

Than you can't afford to do the project! Stick to charity that you can afford.

[90civicrider]

Thank you very much for the responce!!!

The script has been custom programed by myself and basicly every single page is calling upon a database. This concerns me with the rule of haveing 25 database connections at the same time. Will this mean I can only have 25 active users online querying the database at any given time?

The entire site will be a custom CMS allowing users to sign-up for an account then allow them so many upload slots for them to upload images/information about their vehicle. Kind of like a MySpace except for your car/motorbike/truck etc...

I've done research for nearly 2 weeks, and thus far Host Gator seems to fit my needs, and the reviews have been excellent!

Thanks again!

[90civicrider]

Originally Posted by Serra

Than you can't afford to do the project! Stick to charity that you can afford.

Don't be so rude, you don't know me or my advanced abilities...

[charlesgan]

hi, its adviced to start with shared hosting. and upgrade on the way up.
Hostgator will provide the upgrade job, and what you need to do is just send in the request by filling their request form.

[steve_a]

Consider a page is parsed in 20 milliseconds, meaning you open the connection at the start and close it at the end. 25 simultaneously connections would be 25 hits together every 20 ms. That's a lot of traffic.

[90civicrider]

Thanks again guys for such rapid responces, they are much appriciated!

I beleive I'm alot closer to signing up now.
Programming on my testing server should be complete this weekend, Hopefully the transfer to Host Gator goes according to plan!

And yes, 25 hits every 20ms is my ULTIMATE goal

Thanks again guys/gals!

[riostyles]

Originally Posted by 90civicrider

Thank you very much for the responce!!!

The script has been custom programed by myself and basicly every single page is calling upon a database. This concerns me with the rule of haveing 25 database connections at the same time. Will this mean I can only have 25 active users online querying the database at any given time?

Don't be confused, nobody speaks about 25 users, but the limit is 25 simultaneous connections. If you do not use permanent connections (The default is non permanent) a connexion open by some query takes about a few milliseconds, meaning hundresds or thousands simultaneous users. Even if you feel short you can close the connection after the query and before the end of the script closing all his own open connections.

[90civicrider]

Originally Posted by riostyles

Even if you feel short you can close the connection after the query and before the end of the script closing all his own open connections.

As I read on, I feel this is less and less of a concern, Each and every page on the site has it's DB connection closed at the end of the page. So that will help out a little.



I just wanted to make sure I address the concerns I had before signing up.
As some have been faced within the past, having a host loose your data SUCKS, it's happened to me 1 too many times, and I have no time for problems like that.

Thanks!

[riostyles]

Welcome here,
(I hope HG will distribute us some candies next Christmas)

[Goddess Dix]

Originally Posted by riostyles

Welcome here,
(I hope HG will distribute us some candies next Christmas)

or free months on dedicated boxes.

[kmaw]

So much for your christmas candies....

http://forums.hostgator.com/showthre...t=15339&page=4

[riostyles]

Originally Posted by Goddess Dix

or free months on dedicated boxes.

That was my diplomatic meaning.

[Serra]

Originally Posted by 90civicrider

Don't be so rude, you don't know me or my advanced abilities...

I'm not saying you don't have advanced abilities. I'm just pointing out that you are are trying to do something that simply can't be done, by your own definition.

You said:

Why dont I go with a VPS, or Dedicated?? Because I can't afford it..

If you design a project that is so big it can't run on a shared account, and it isn't going to generate any income, then you are creating a problem that doesn't have a solution. If the project, no matter how useful it is, can't pay for itself and you can't afford to pay for it, then it is doomed.

You need to rethink your idea. Either find a way that it can pay for itself or find someone else to pay for it. Just simply building it, even with your advanced abilities isn't a good idea, if it can't run because it has no way to be hosted.

[Serra]

Originally Posted by riostyles

Even if you feel short you can close the connection after the query and before the end of the script closing all his own open connections.

That will not help. The connection will auto-close after it is no longer needed. Doing a specific close before the end of the script gains nothing, when dealing with connection limits, as it doesn't actually save any connect time. The connection total time will be the same, with or without the close.

[gwyneth]

Originally Posted by 90civicrider

Don't be so rude, you don't know me or my advanced abilities...

In the 27 years that I have drifted in and out of software development, every single programmer/developer I have encountered who is as good as you are representing yourself could afford a semi-dedicated server here.

The ones who know as much about marketing and business as you imply you do (in the other thread about ads on cPanel) could afford a dedi.

Either your project is all ready to go up--in which case you must have had a pretty beefy development setup--or it's got to be tweaked on a server. So you either know already what kind of server load you're going to need, or you don't, in which case it would be more logical to do tests and benchmarks than to ask generalized questions about whether HG can handle it.

[90civicrider]

Originally Posted by gwyneth

In the 27 years that I have drifted in and out of software development, every single programmer/developer I have encountered who is as good as you are representing yourself could afford a semi-dedicated server here.

The ones who know as much about marketing and business as you imply you do (in the other thread about ads on cPanel) could afford a dedi.

Either your project is all ready to go up--in which case you must have had a pretty beefy development setup--or it's got to be tweaked on a server. So you either know already what kind of server load you're going to need, or you don't, in which case it would be more logical to do tests and benchmarks than to ask generalized questions about whether HG can handle it.

Unfortinatly I've spent all my reserved money on the $20,000 tuition cost for my education.

The site is ready to be launched, however a good week worth of testing on the live server will work out any kinks that may arrise. The development phase was completed durring my final year in college and took hundreds of hours.

I do wish I had some extra money around to go dedicated, but like I said, it's just out of my budget as this is a personal project with no partners or funding.

The site will generate profits, but as to the time it will take to cover my start-up cost's is unknown. Paying $200 for my first month hosting just seems unjustifiable since it will take at leased a couple months to start generating the traffic/income I'm expecting.

[kmaw]

Sign up with someone here who has a dedicated... you get the network and backing of HG, you just have to deal with someone else on the front line.

[gwyneth]

Originally Posted by 90civicrider

Paying $200 for my first month hosting just seems unjustifiable since it will take at leased a couple months to start generating the traffic/income I'm expecting.

I think that's what Goddess was getting at, and I was too, (but not really well)--i.e., that if you start with shared hosting, you're not going to go from 0 to 110 in a day so you can see and monitor your usage trends.

[Goddess Dix]

Originally Posted by riostyles

That was my diplomatic meaning.

ohhhh. i was a little slow on the take there.