Unlimited Domains = 1000+ ?

Leo465 · #1 07-01-2006, 02:37 PM

Hi,

I have already contacted 2 other hosting companies that offer unlimited domain hosting. Both say they won't accept my 1000+ domains. It's not a question of CPU hogging, as these sites have absolutely minimal visitors - most have NONE per day. Total visitors per day would be less than 5000. But the other hosting companies make excuses like 'It would interfere with our backups'.

What's the point of offering hosting for unlimited domains, if there is in fact a limit?

Of course I'm talking about shared (reseller) plans. Not VPS or Dedicated that can theoretically do whatever they like...

So HostGator, do you have people hosting with RESELLER plans and 1000+ domains?

Serra · #2 07-01-2006, 02:49 PM

I don't think you are going to find a host that will let you put 1000 domains on a shared account, unlimited or not. You many have an unlimited account, as far as domains go, but I think you will find that you'll be violating the TOS with processor usage with a 1000 domains. Just the spam they get would generate enough CPU to get your account suspended.

Host Gator may have a different take on this, but I think there are some limitations on how many domains you can actually put on a server.

Leo465 · #3 07-01-2006, 03:20 PM

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Just the spam they get would generate enough CPU to get your account suspended.

I'm not sure where you get that idea... I'm getting virtually no spam from them.

The domains are currently on a VPS and the server load is almost always 0.05

Great excuse though, I honestly can't believe the justifications that people come up with, when explaining that unlimited is in fact definitely limited.

Your spam reason is basically saying that even if there was just a blank page on each domain, it would be unacceptable. Therefore, unlimited domains is absolutely 100% impossible. Crazy that companies offer it but have absolutely no intention of honoring it.

I realize this was just your personal opinion, and thanks for offering it. Now I await the official response.

quietFinn · #4 07-01-2006, 04:06 PM

I don't know what the "official" response would be, but for my opinion... I would not like to be in a shared server where someone has 1000+ domains.

Leo465 · #5 07-01-2006, 04:29 PM

I don't get it? You surely wouldn't mind sharing a server with a site that gets 10,000+ visitors per day (hardly
a big number). But you have a problem sharing with a collection of sites that receive less than half that number, and use much less resources. Crazy!

Yari Gio · #6 07-01-2006, 04:58 PM

Ya, it's kind of unfortunate, but it's a huge factor of american biz to "highlight" sellable points and then mini print restrictions, if we could do half of the things people advertise just on tv it would be a crazy world

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But to be frank, id say start setting up accounts, as soon as you see your sites using too much im sure you will be able to afford a dedicated server with out it even touching your income (i'd gather after about 100 clients) and from there you go.

But then agian, check directly with support, since other then a select few they dont come to the forums.

Leo465 · #7 07-01-2006, 05:04 PM

There is virtually no income, these aren't for clients, they are just parked domains...

Yari Gio · #8 07-01-2006, 05:25 PM

oh, i did not realize that. wait siera there really would be that much trafic from non existing but parked domains ? that sounds wierd, but some of this stuff is unknown to me.

Serra · #9 07-01-2006, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Yari Gio

oh, i did not realize that. wait siera there really would be that much trafic from non existing but parked domains ? that sounds wierd, but some of this stuff is unknown to me.

If a domain is registered, its going to get spam. If you look at the email logs or a catch all box for a domain, you'll see that even domains without email addresses get spam. So, if each domain gets 20 spam a day, thats 20,000 emails a day just in spam. All of that needs to be processed.

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Originally Posted by Leo465

I don't get it? You surely wouldn't mind sharing a server with a site that gets 10,000+ visitors per day (hardly
a big number). But you have a problem sharing with a collection of sites that receive less than half that number, and use much less resources. Crazy!

If there are 1000 domains on a server, then the bots, hackers, spam scanners and all of those other things that visit sites are still going to be visiting. Even if an actual user never goes to a site, if it is there, it will be scanned and indexed by bots. The sites still need to be backed up. A process needs to run on the server for every domain, so that is 1000 processes running, even though there are no vistors.

Serra · #10 07-01-2006, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo465

There is virtually no income, these aren't for clients, they are just parked domains...

Parked domains? Ok, you either don't understand what you are saying or you are not telling the whole truth. Are these parked domains or are the 1000 different domains in addons?

If they are parked domains, then your statement, "absolutely minimal visitors - most have NONE per day." can't be true. If they are parked, then a vistor to one domain is a vistor to all domains.

Leo465 · #11 07-01-2006, 09:53 PM

When I added 1000 domains to my current VPS, the load wasn't affected even slightly - because there weren't any visitors.

Are you sure that each domain requires at least 1 process at all times? Do you have any link to a reference that says that?

Leo465 · #12 07-01-2006, 09:59 PM

Okay, you say I either don't understand or I'm lying. I do understand what I'm saying, and I'm not lying - but thanks for the insult/accusation.

When I say parked, I mean they are just single static pages, not active websites. Each domain has it's own unique parked page, they are not all pointing to a single page. Perhaps you are referring to parked in the sense of the word that cPanel uses (I have never used it, but I think it just points a domain to another?), but that is not the only meaning of the word 'parked'.

Serra · #13 07-01-2006, 10:25 PM

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Are you sure that each domain requires at least 1 process at all times? Do you have any link to a reference that says that?

I can see a process on my server for each domain.

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Okay, you say I either don't understand or I'm lying.

I didn't say you were lying, your story keeps changing. I just wonder if it is changing becuase you don't have the technical language to express yourself or if you are just making it up as you go along.

Plus, I'm fairly sure there is only one reason why you would have 1000 domains that don't generate any visitors.

Sergio · #14 07-03-2006, 10:13 PM

Leo465,
why don´t park the domains at your registrar expense? I mean, at my registrar (www.hostndomains.com) if I park a domain, I can have my own free page (templates where I can choose from) or I can use the offer of Google Adsense in my parked domains that will generate an income, and all this for free.

Just my 2 cents.

Regards,
Sergio

cjnoyes · #15 07-06-2006, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Sergio

Leo465,
why don´t park the domains at your registrar expense? I mean, at my registrar (www.hostndomains.com) if I park a domain, I can have my own free page (templates where I can choose from) or I can use the offer of Google Adsense in my parked domains that will generate an income, and all this for free.

Just my 2 cents.

Regards,
Sergio

Are these truly parked, i.e. no site yet, or are they pointing to other domains?

cjnoyes · #16 07-06-2006, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Serra

I can see a process on my server for each domain.

I didn't say you were lying, your story keeps changing. I just wonder if it is changing becuase you don't have the technical language to express yourself or if you are just making it up as you go along.

Plus, I'm fairly sure there is only one reason why you would have 1000 domains that don't generate any visitors.

Do you have any parked domains referring to others i.e. yada.net and yada.com pointing to the same site. If so, do you see a process for each? I think the process issue has to do with how apache is setup, i.e. each virtual host gets a process.

Sergio · #17 07-06-2006, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by cjnoyes

Are these truly parked, i.e. no site yet, or are they pointing to other domains?

Hi Cjnoyes,
they are truly parked at the registrar server, and you have the options to create a single web page (very simple), park for sale or just park the domain with the Google Adsense option. Also, there is one email account for free for every domain parked.

Regards,
Sergio

cjnoyes · #18 07-07-2006, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Sergio

Hi Cjnoyes,
they are truly parked at the registrar server, and you have the options to create a single web page (very simple), park for sale or just park the domain with the Google Adsense option. Also, there is one email account for free for every domain parked.

Regards,
Sergio

The reason why I asked, and I was hoping Leo would respond is Cpanel has parked domains, which are domain pointers to other domains, but registrars call parked domains and domain parking just a holding place till the website is setup, so I just wanted to be clear about the situation.

I am sure that the way apache are configured at enom or godaddy for parking domains, makes the server run efficiently without the 1 process per domain issue, which may be appropriate for the way the servers are run here.

Serra · #19 07-08-2006, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by cjnoyes

Do you have any parked domains referring to others i.e. yada.net and yada.com pointing to the same site. If so, do you see a process for each? I think the process issue has to do with how apache is setup, i.e. each virtual host gets a process.

No, it is per domain, so a parked domain doesnt' get its own process. Which is only logical.

I think it is fairly unclear what this guy really has. If he has 1000 domains all pointing to one, then I don't think that would be a problem, but I get the impression that all of the domains point to specific pages, so its 1000 addon domains. My guess is that the page says, "Domain for sale".

Arez · #20 07-11-2006, 12:16 AM

no offense, but I hate people that mass-register domains that serve no purpose!!!!

Serra · #21 07-11-2006, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Arez

no offense, but I hate people that mass-register domains that serve no purpose!!!!

No purpose other than a fake search engine... those sites drive me nuts. Trying to search for something and getting 50% of the hits are for sites that have nothing to do with the search term.

cjnoyes · #22 07-12-2006, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Serra

No purpose other than a fake search engine... those sites drive me nuts. Trying to search for something and getting 50% of the hits are for sites that have nothing to do with the search term.

I couldn't agree with you more on this. It drives me nuts when I search for something and hit one of those.