shared hosting questions ???

[OneManShow]

Hi everybody,
Although i did not buy anything from host gator until now, but i already choose it for my hosting biz from what i read positive in the internet about host gator, i choose to buy the Aluminum reseller account to start my hosting biz. i am waiting the bank to approved my credit card, may be by the end of the next week, i will be able to use my credit card and buy the Aluminum account.
But while i was reading through this forum and the other help sections, it comes up to my mind my questions, and i hope to get their answers here in this forum.

1- Since Swamp shared account alone gives more disk space and bandwidth than the biggest reseller account which is Diamond, do you think it is better to my customers and to my pocket also to use the host gator shared account, i think customers will get more space and bandwidth with it, and everybody will be happy so, each customers i have to buy him the domain name and buy for him the Swamp shared account. although i don't have any main control panel, because the control panel will be given to the customer to manage their site as they want. but this account will give him more space and bandwidth. What do you think guys about this ? are there any disadvantages other than this?

2- i don't need anyone to know that i am buying hosting from host gator, to don't know the amount of profit i am earning, so if i choose the Swamp shared account to each customer separately, will any one know that i am taking from host gator? is there any link in the customer control panel in the Swamp shared account to host gator or any other hidden things will lead to the site of host gator ? what about email out/in server ?


3- suppose i have one domain for a company on a swamp shared hosting and i am giving each employee 1 email with size 1 GB, and let have 50 employee, so the total will be 50 emails for 50 employee with size 50 GB , so i have space remaining 200 GB - 50 GB = 150 GB which is left for other things.

here comes the questions:
- i have read in this forum, somewhere that in the shared hosting the total amount of files must not exceed 50.000 files? is that true? and if it is true? how it work with emails? many emails have more than 50.000 files in it, in the above case: each employee have thousands of emails and attachment in his email, all of these are considers files, right ? will it be enough for them, what about sites that have many small html files and pictures? how these stuff work ?

- also, in the same example above, are emails will be store as a link in the mysql database or they will be as files in the hosting? because i read that only 30 mysql connection is available , what if all customers check their emails all at the same time?

- and suppose also i have a regular website , no database in it , only 1 html page, what is the maximum visit at the same time can the swamp hosting account hold? i mean if i get 100 visit all click at the same time, will it handle it or i have to upgrade the account ?

may be these question are stupid to someone but they will give me a better view of what is happening in the hosting biz.
thank you for all , and waiting for answers and bank approval also

Have a nice day.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by OneManShow

each customers i have to buy him the domain name and buy for him the Swamp shared account. although i don't have any main control panel, because the control panel will be given to the customer to manage their site as they want. but this account will give him more space and bandwidth. What do you think guys about this ? are there any disadvantages other than this?

I dont think HG allow that. also if one of the accounts start spamming then because its under your billing account they will likely terminate all the other accounts

2- i don't need anyone to know that i am buying hosting from host gator, to don't know the amount of profit i am earning, so if i choose the Swamp shared account to each customer separately, will any one know that i am taking from host gator? is there any link in the customer control panel in the Swamp shared account to host gator or any other hidden things will lead to the site of host gator ? what about email out/in server ?

hostname: gatorxxx.hostgator.com, mail server: mail.domain.com, nameservers: nsxxx.hostgator.com

and in the control panel there is a tool called HG Extras with is branded with the hg logos

3- suppose i have one domain for a company on a swamp shared hosting and i am giving each employee 1 email with size 1 GB, and let have 50 employee, so the total will be 50 emails for 50 employee with size 50 GB , so i have space remaining 200 GB - 50 GB = 150 GB which is left for other things.

Yup

- i have read in this forum, somewhere that in the shared hosting the total amount of files must not exceed 50.000 files? is that true? and if it is true? how it work with emails? many emails have more than 50.000 files in it, in the above case: each employee have thousands of emails and attachment in his email, all of these are considers files, right ? will it be enough for them, what about sites that have many small html files and pictures? how these stuff work ?

Yes there is a 50k iNODE limit, not sure if email accounts are included into the count

- also, in the same example above, are emails will be store as a link in the mysql database or they will be as files in the hosting? because i read that only 30 mysql connection is available , what if all customers check their emails all at the same time?

Emails are stored in your ftp account space outside your public_html folder. FYI: there is a 60 pop check per hour and a max email limit of 200 per hour

- and suppose also i have a regular website , no database in it , only 1 html page, what is the maximum visit at the same time can the swamp hosting account hold? i mean if i get 100 visit all click at the same time, will it handle it or i have to upgrade the account ?

It would probably be able to handle it

[quietFinn]

HostGator's Terms of Service: http://www.hostgator.com/tos.shtml

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11.) Shared (non-reseller accounts) / Semidedicated Servers
Shared accounts may not resell web hosting to other people, if you wish to resell hosting you must use a reseller account.
...

[eLIANT]

My understanding of TOS #11 is that you are not allowed to purchase a shared account then, within that one shared account, create a new add-on domain and site for each of your customers. However, OP is not asking if he can do that. He's asking if he can purchase a Swamp account on behalf of customer #1, then purchase another Swamp account for customer #2, etc. I don't see a problem with this.

[GatorSteveN]

If the site isn't reselling it's space it should be OK. Purchasing a site on behalf of a customer is not reselling your own hosting space.

[gtgeorge]

while you can purchase accounts and pay for them on your customers behalf, they will run into many things that tell them it is a Hostgator account that if they look further, may have no need for you to purchase it on their behalf again

[OneManShow]

Originally Posted by eLIANT

My understanding of TOS #11 is that you are not allowed to purchase a shared account then, within that one shared account, create a new add-on domain and site for each of your customers. However, OP is not asking if he can do that. He's asking if he can purchase a Swamp account on behalf of customer #1, then purchase another Swamp account for customer #2, etc. I don't see a problem with this.

This is what i mean, i buy an account for each one separately, i give customer 1 :
swamp account + domain
and get hosting fee + domain fee + my profit
customer 2 , buy another swamp account separately from customer 1 and so on.
so, each one will have huge space with huge bandwidth.

Originally Posted by gtgeorge

while you can purchase accounts and pay for them on your customers behalf, they will run into many things that tell them it is a Hostgator account that if they look further, may have no need for you to purchase it on their behalf again

i am thinking of not providing any control panel, since nobody ask for it, to keep people away from asking for more options :P
i host for people in my country (people i already know), i am not opening this biz to sell via internet.
also, most of my customers until now are not computer expert, all what they ask for are FTP account to upload their files (most are html files and images with no database) and e-mails.
In the case of swamp shared account, will these (FTP and Emails) have any host gator name in their configuration?

Originally Posted by _Sam_

I dont think HG allow that. also if one of the accounts start spamming then because its under your billing account they will likely terminate all the other accounts

what do you mean by spamming ?

Originally Posted by _Sam_

hostname: gatorxxx.hostgator.com, mail server: mail.domain.com, nameservers: nsxxx.hostgator.com

and in the control panel there is a tool called HG Extras with is branded with the hg logos

i know one of them, the mail server is appear in outlook configuration while i am making the email, but what about the hostname and name servers, where do people see these? in the control panel or somewhere outside it?

Originally Posted by _Sam_

Yes there is a 50k iNODE limit, not sure if email accounts are included into the count

is email accounts ( files and attachment) are counted also in the 50K that are allowed ?

Originally Posted by _Sam_

Emails are stored in your ftp account space outside your public_html folder. FYI: there is a 60 pop check per hour and a max email limit of 200 per hour

what do you mean by this "60 pop check per hour and a max email limit of 200 per hour? more explanation please? and where it is mentioned in host gator site, can you post the link please?

Originally Posted by OneManShow

- and suppose also i have a regular website , no database in it , only 1 html page, what is the maximum visit at the same time can the swamp hosting account hold? i mean if i get 100 visit all click at the same time, will it handle it or i have to upgrade the account ?

Originally Posted by _Sam_

It would probably be able to handle it

what is the maximum visit (hits/click at the same time) can a baby or swamp account handle without getting the site down? remember , no Database (mysql) is requested when visited the site.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by OneManShow

what do you mean by spamming ?

Sending out mass email's or unsolicited email

i know one of them, the mail server is appear in outlook configuration while i am making the email, but what about the hostname and name servers, where do people see these? in the control panel or somewhere outside it?

Hostname will apear in a DNS lookup for your domain and the nameservers will show in a domain whois lookup

what do you mean by this "60 pop check per hour and a max email limit of 200 per hour? more explanation please? and where it is mentioned in host gator site, can you post the link please?

http://hostgator.com/mailpolicy.shtml

what is the maximum visit (hits/click at the same time) can a baby or swamp account handle without getting the site down? remember , no Database (mysql) is requested when visited the site.

Depends on how big the pages are

[gtgeorge]

Hostgator references will be there in their email headers and dns servers as gatorxxx.hostgator.com. There are default 404 error pages that display when a page can't be found that state the site is on hostgator and even offers a coupon for hostgator hosting etc. Those can be avoided if you make sure custom error pages are installed and working before publishing the site for viewing....even if you decide to create a sub domain or addon domain, you will need to install custome error pages for these too. Other than that you would be ok.

[slapshotw]

Remember this: shared plans will have references to hostgator, but reseller plans will not. You will be better off with a reseller plan...even if you think your plan is better, your clients will likely not use nearly as much space as they are being offered, and the reseller account will serve you much better. The reseller plan will not mention hostgator anywhere.

One html file can be hit by many more than 100 people at the same time. Many, many more.

And the 25 mysql connections applies to your website, and remember that mysql connections typically take a fraction of a second. Hundreds of people could be browsing your database site at once without you hitting that limit (and emails don't touch the database).

For emails, if you're concerned about the limit, don't have your clients store all their email on the server. Have their email delete off the server after a week or a month or so (you can change this setting in outlook or whatever email client they're using).

[karembb]

Originally Posted by _Sam_

Sending out mass email's or unsolicited email



Hostname will apear in a DNS lookup for your domain and the nameservers will show in a domain whois lookup



http://hostgator.com/mailpolicy.shtml



Depends on how big the pages are

thanks for this man