Resellers getting Ripped?

#1 10-21-2005, 07:48 PM

I am looking into reseller packages from different hosts and I want to know why your packages are so expensive and offer no bandwidth practically.

I mean who needs 20GB of space when they can only use 20GB of bandwidth?

Also I see you doubled your packages but they still dont even come close to the reseller packahes here:
http://www.*********.com/reseller.shtml

And they have 100% uptime, free GeoTrust SSL, custom nameservers and Free ModernBill license.

I just want to understand how and what the difference is because its between you guys and ******** and from what I see you guys arent even close.

MachineDog · #2 10-21-2005, 07:58 PM

Obvious reselling dude. Bad company anyway by the looks of it. Also, HG uses a world-class datacenter with DDoS mitigation and Intrusion Prevention Systems. Protecting you from even the measilly phpBB exploit.

Serra · #3 10-21-2005, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered

I am looking into reseller packages from different hosts and I want to know why your packages are so expensive and offer no bandwidth practically.

I have enough experience to tell me that price is NOT a factor when looking for hosting. Good hosting costs money, bad hosting is cheap. It is that simple.

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Originally Posted by Unregistered

I mean who needs 20GB of space when they can only use 20GB of bandwidth?

You are right, bandwidth is a factor, not so much space, so giving a large amount of space (which is cheap) and a smaller bandwidth (which is expensive) seems like a way for companies to save money.

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Originally Posted by Unregistered

Also I see you doubled your packages but they still dont even come close to the reseller packahes here:
http://www.**********.com/reseller.shtml
And they have 100% uptime, free GeoTrust SSL, custom nameservers and Free ModernBill license.

...and isn't it nice of you to come over here and advertise for them! It also doesn't say ModernBill is free, it says "discounted". Plus I HATE modern bill, I wish HG would stop using it.

100% uptime is impossible. Anyone who says they have that are not telling you the truth. The box has to come down to be updated and rebooted.

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Originally Posted by Unregistered

I just want to understand how and what the difference is because its between you guys and ********* and from what I see you guys arent even close.

Nope, not even close. I'm guessing that few resellers like ********* can match the service of HG.

The things that really makes me wonder:

1. I wondered around their site and I couldn't find a phone number or address for the company. Odd...

2. Their site is a template and they didn't bother to even fill in all of the pages.

3. Live 24/7 support, but no way to contact them except email. They also only have ONE EMAIL ADDRESS!!!

4. Lots of cool stuff listed on their menu, most of which says "Looks like you caught us in the middle of upgrading our site! Please check back in 24-48 hours and this area should be live and ready to go! Thanks for visiting the #1 hosting company online."

5. They are reselling stuff from thePlanet, same as HG. Lacking the support system HG has, I can't see how they could be better if they are selling the same product.

6. They currently host 68 site... that make me as a reseller in their league.
source: http://www.ipwalk.com/default/search...er/*******.com I had more sites on my reseller box at HG than they have hosted.

7. "Dedicated servers $40.00". The page consists of this:

HTML Code:

<html>
<head>
<title></title>
</head>
<body bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
</body>
/html>

Even with that, there is no way they are going to offer dedicated servers for $40.00. I guess that is the weekly rate.

Serra · #4 10-21-2005, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by MachineDog

Obvious reselling dude. Bad company anyway by the looks of it. Also, HG uses a world-class datacenter with DDoS mitigation and Intrusion Prevention Systems. Protecting you from even the measilly phpBB exploit.

Actually, they do offer all of that as they are hosting with thePlanet.

I'll call them and ask them about it... oh, wait, they don't have a phone number listed...

JZ · #5 10-21-2005, 10:39 PM

You're right Serra,
Its not a good idea to discuss other hosts on this forum, either good or bad. There are other forums available for that purpose.

fuzzfree · #6 10-22-2005, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered

I mean who needs 20GB of space when they can only use 20GB of bandwidth?

THE BANDWITH IS 200GB !!

Serra · #7 10-22-2005, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzzfree

THE BANDWITH IS 200GB !!

My guess is that they offer you 200GB and don't expect you to use it. I've seen many sites offer high bandwidth only to have their clients forced off their systems.

Dedicated servers at thePlanet have 2000GB. That means that if they don't oversell, the they could put 10 people per server, so to pay the COST it would require then to charge $25.00 - $30.00 per month per customer. Assuming they want to make 35% per customer, that would be $40.00 per customer per month. They aren't charging that much, so they are overselling. Overselling companies 1. don't last long, 2. don't really allow you to use what they offer.

Again, if they don't offer support, its worthless anyway.

MachineDog · #8 10-22-2005, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Serra

My guess is that they offer you 200GB and don't expect you to use it. I've seen many sites offer high bandwidth only to have their clients forced off their systems.

Dedicated servers at thePlanet have 2000GB. That means that if they don't oversell, the they could put 10 people per server, so to pay the COST it would require then to charge $25.00 - $30.00 per month per customer. Assuming they want to make 35% per customer, that would be $40.00 per customer per month. They aren't charging that much, so they are overselling. Overselling companies 1. don't last long, 2. don't really allow you to use what they offer.

Again, if they don't offer support, its worthless anyway.

*ahem* Technically they oversell.

2000 GB ~ 5 Mb/s
18 GigE = 18,000 Mbps
18,000 Mbps / 5 MBps = 3600 Servers per DC
When they have around 18,000 Servers per DC.

jlgreer1 · #9 10-29-2005, 11:15 AM

As an old curmudgeon, I have found that you get what you pay for.

I have been with Host Gator for over a year. Their quality and service have been excellent.

Companyies that "oversell" can offer a lot for a little but don't expect them to last very long.

Jeff

Blondy · #10 10-29-2005, 09:23 PM

Stop comparing a Mercedes Benz with a Hyundai Accent. Yes, they are both cars. Yes they both have great features (and if you've ever owned a Hyundai you'll know half of them don't work!). NO they are not even CLOSE to being in the same sort of league. We are all proverbial Mercedes Benz drivers here, and we are happy to be so. We know everything is excellent quality. You can go drive your little Hyundai Accent and leave us drive our Mercs

gone2alpine · #11 10-30-2005, 12:29 PM

Hee hee - So rippin on the Hyundai name seems popular here. The analogy is a good idea. The quality of Hostgator is way above other most bargain hosts. But time is money, so Hostgator is definitely a better value.

Now back to the Hyundai thing - we just owned a Hyundai Santa Fe for 3 years and 85K. I'm not joking, it was the BEST car we have ever owned. It put the Honda Pilot we have now to shame. The Santa Fe also put our old Toyota RAV4 to shame. My next car will likely be another Hyundai. So companies can change for the better (or for the worse, as Honda seems to have done).

Charles · #12 10-30-2005, 06:27 PM

I had a Hyundai Excel and the damn thing started literallly falling apart as I drove it. Not quickly, just things slowly falling off it.

gone2alpine · #13 10-30-2005, 06:40 PM

Yes - Excels were the bad years. Similar to the K-Car years. Or the Pinto years.

Hopefully HG continues to have good years.

#14 11-01-2005, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by gone2alpine

Hee hee - So rippin on the Hyundai name seems popular here. The analogy is a good idea. The quality of Hostgator is way above other most bargain hosts. But time is money, so Hostgator is definitely a better value.

Now back to the Hyundai thing - we just owned a Hyundai Santa Fe for 3 years and 85K. I'm not joking, it was the BEST car we have ever owned. It put the Honda Pilot we have now to shame. The Santa Fe also put our old Toyota RAV4 to shame. My next car will likely be another Hyundai. So companies can change for the better (or for the worse, as Honda seems to have done).

Im driving a Hyundai Tiburon, 2005. Used to drive a 1997 Tiburon. Best cars.

My mother has a Hyundai Santa Fe 2005.

MachineDog · #15 11-01-2005, 09:02 AM

lol. I have a Honda Recon ES ATV if that counts as a vehicle. ^_^

#16 11-04-2005, 07:37 PM

As someone who is currently looking for a new host (not related to the original poster), the main thing that I found appealing is the 24/7 phone support (versus none or limited hours). Most webhosting companies charge a higher price to offer that, where the 'low cost' (cheap) only offer tickets & e-mail (on occasion IM). The other factor that I found appealing is that HG has been around since 2002 (most 'new' hosts are 2004 or 2005) & often they are resellers, reselling from someone else. What would be a nice factor but not necessary is offering +/- of features (ie. extra diskspace, less bandwidth, etc.) based on set values (ie. 500MB extra is $x, 5GB bandwidth is $x, add-on x for $x, etc.). Posting & complaining outright, while at the same time mentioning another host in a forum is pretty obvious scam (luring customers or potential customers from HG to another host) since most honest people who contact support about the differences & either see if they will match pricing or custom build a plan. Why compare another host here versus HG? There are very low (often new) hosts & very high (the older the host, the higher the price because they have established themselves with enough clients that they don't need to go underselling themselves; whereas new hosts are eager to sign-up as many people as possible, so they give up a lot in the process to develop a customer base).

My two cents plus interest minus taxes...

David · #17 11-05-2005, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by gone2alpine

Hee hee - So rippin on the Hyundai name seems popular here. The analogy is a good idea. The quality of Hostgator is way above other most bargain hosts. But time is money, so Hostgator is definitely a better value.

Now back to the Hyundai thing - we just owned a Hyundai Santa Fe for 3 years and 85K. I'm not joking, it was the BEST car we have ever owned. It put the Honda Pilot we have now to shame. The Santa Fe also put our old Toyota RAV4 to shame. My next car will likely be another Hyundai. So companies can change for the better (or for the worse, as Honda seems to have done).

OK, so this is turing into a car thread

I'll play along. My wife has owned her 2001 Hyundai Elantra since new, and the ONLY thing that has ever given a problem is the thermostat gave out around 60K. It now has over 70K with no problems, no rattles (big one in my book). We paid less than 15K for it with everything you could get on it including sunroof and security system. It was the first year of the newer body style and still looks good today compared to most of the other cars it competes with. By contrast, I have a 2004 Avalanche that listed for 38K (although I didn't pay but around 30K for it) since new and it has developed several issues. The drivetrain is great and it rides well, but those little things will kill you. My next vehicle will likely be a Lexus (smaller one or used that I can afford). My wife will be buying a new Hyundai Sonata once we sell our old house. This is the car Honda wishes they had evolved the Accord into. As of 2005, I feel that Hyundais are one of the best values for the money available today. Not the best...but one of the best values for the money...Which brings me to hosting. Host Gator is not the best...but one of the best values for the money you will likely find. BTW, we've been with them for a year and a half now. Yes, there have been a few issues along the way but from my observations they do their best to address whatever comes up quickly. Can they stand to improve in certain areas, absolutely but you'll be hard pressed to find a better value based on price, performance, service ratios. Can you tell I'm big on value

OK, I admit it I'm a car guy...speaking of value and bang for your buck, now if I could just come up with 65K for a new Z06

David

#18 11-10-2005, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered

Also I see you doubled your packages but they still dont even come close to the reseller packahes here:
http://www.*********.com/reseller.shtml

And they have 100% uptime, free GeoTrust SSL, custom nameservers and Free ModernBill license.

I just want to understand how and what the difference is because its between you guys and ******** and from what I see you guys arent even close.

To HG staff: Why are you afraid for others to see what other hosts are offering? This edit (I assume you edited it, I might be ignorant) makes it look like you're trying to hide other companies from us.

Does this mean they reallyare better than you? Otherwise, what are you so afraid of?

#19 11-10-2005, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered

To HG staff: Why are you afraid for others to see what other hosts are offering? This edit (I assume you edited it, I might be ignorant) makes it look like you're trying to hide other companies from us.

Does this mean they reallyare better than you? Otherwise, what are you so afraid of?

First, the thread was edited by JZ who is part of the Peer Support Team here on the forums. He volunteers his time to answer questions and moderate.

Second, the thread was not edited to hide the host. It was because this is not a forum to advertise hosts, or argue wether they are better or not. Otherwise, this would have turned into one side badmouthing the other about whether or not that host is better.

Serra · #20 11-12-2005, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered

To HG staff: Why are you afraid for others to see what other hosts are offering? This edit (I assume you edited it, I might be ignorant) makes it look like you're trying to hide other companies from us.

Does this mean they reallyare better than you? Otherwise, what are you so afraid of?

I got to the thread before it was edited and I can assure you that the company listed was not even in the same league as HG. (maybe you didn't bother to read the thread with my comments).

I really don't think that HG's forum is a good place to advertise other hosting companies. How many companies do you see that allow competitors to advertise on their site? None.

Just as an FYI... JZ isn't that good at editing that I couldn't find that site again based on this thread alone, so if you really want to waste your money, find them and sign up with them instead of HG.

#21 11-14-2005, 08:13 PM

A company that doesn't allow overselling for a reseller, is overselling itself.

A hosting company would be at a huge risk to oversell and allow overselling.

There is no risk in allowing overselling, if you don't oversell yourself.

There is some risk in overselling if you do oversell and don't allow it, but this meathod allows the maximum profitablity, this is what hostgator employs.

I'm glad to see they are being realible since they are extreamly expensive for what you get.

By not allowing overselling, they are not allowing you to fully take advantage of the space that is given to you.

Yes resellers of hostgator are getting ripped off, but that is a good thing, because hopefully that will keep competitors retail offerings higher, less competition for me.

tomowa · #22 11-15-2005, 12:28 AM

If you don't like HG, why do you spend your time posting here?
Do you think they are going go "duh, we didn't realize our business model was flawed, we better listen to Mr Unregistered here and accommodate him....."
Also, why don't you at least have the (male anatomy

) to sign up and use a name, instead of 'unregistered'. It takes a big man to offer nothing but criticism, and not even have the courage to identify himself.....

MachineDog · #23 11-15-2005, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered

A company that doesn't allow overselling for a reseller, is overselling itself.

A hosting company would be at a huge risk to oversell and allow overselling.

There is no risk in allowing overselling, if you don't oversell yourself.

There is some risk in overselling if you do oversell and don't allow it, but this meathod allows the maximum profitablity, this is what hostgator employs.

I'm glad to see they are being realible since they are extreamly expensive for what you get.

By not allowing overselling, they are not allowing you to fully take advantage of the space that is given to you.

Yes resellers of hostgator are getting ripped off, but that is a good thing, because hopefully that will keep competitors retail offerings higher, less competition for me.

I didn't say HG oversells. I was saying that technically The Planet oversells. Ofcourse so do some big ISPs. If you're not overselling really, somewhere along the line someone is. Which means it's better you don't. Otherwise, well that just wouldn't be good.

#24 11-15-2005, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by MachineDog

I didn't say HG oversells. I was saying that technically The Planet oversells. Ofcourse so do some big ISPs. If you're not overselling really, somewhere along the line someone is. Which means it's better you don't. Otherwise, well that just wouldn't be good.

Theres also a huge difference between overselling when you own the servers, and overselling when you are a reseller. Either way is bad, but with proper monitoring and administration it can be done when you own the server. (This being with reselling shared accounts) With reseller, its alot easier to lose control of growth and end up with alot of downtime and alot of angry customers.

Serra · #25 11-16-2005, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered

Yes resellers of hostgator are getting ripped off, but that is a good thing, because hopefully that will keep competitors retail offerings higher, less competition for me.

The resellers of HG are getting ripped off because HG prevents them from overselling and screwing themselves?