Pantera Server

[bmorejon]

Hi My server is pantera.websitewelcome.com

I would like to know how many web sites is hosted there ?

I´m very happy with Hostgator

[rota919]

Go here: http://whois.domaintools.com/
Enter your domain and you will get all the info you need.

[gtgeorge]

Originally Posted by rota919

Go here: http://whois.domaintools.com/
Enter your domain and you will get all the info you need.

Actually the figure you get there can be up to 30 days old with #of domains and also doesn't account for those with dedicated ips.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by bmorejon

Hi My server is pantera.websitewelcome.com

I would like to know how many web sites is hosted there ?

I´m very happy with Hostgator

for an exact count your best to ask hg

theres probably about 1000+ on the server

[kmaw]

What does it matter, unless you're experiencing problems?

[regentronique]

Like bmorejon i would like to know how many domains are related to my shared server Ip, for many reasons...

I am on superbird.websitewelcome.com

I know that most Hosting company put between 250 to 500 accounts on each server. I also know that ressources and traffic are important factors, but do not want to debate on that.

I believe that a customer have a right to know and to verify how crowded is his server for the price he pay...

If it does not matter to you kmaw, it is your right, just let the others know what they need to know. They may have reasons you do not understand!

[slapshotw]

Originally Posted by regentronique

I know that most Hosting company put between 250 to 500 accounts on each server.

That's the problem with this count. The count of domains has absolutely no bearing on how many accounts or clients are on the server. Think about add-ons, parked, subdomains, etc...

It also has nothing to do with load. You could have 100 domains with tiny traffic that don't cause anywhere near the load of 1 very busy domain with a forum.

I believe that a customer have a right to know and to verify how crowded is his server for the price he pay...

I disagree. As long as it works, that's their business. And as I said, the # of domains has absolutely zero effect on how crowded the server is.

[rota919]

Originally Posted by slapshotw

I disagree. As long as it works, that's their business. And as I said, the # of domains has absolutely zero effect on how crowded the server is.

I agree with you, I have seen servers at HG with 1000+ sites on them being faster that servers elsewhere with 100 domains.

I have a quick link to the server stats on my site and if I suspect something is wrong I just open that page and 99% of the time it is the internet and not the server.

As long as the resources used is low there will not be a problem.

[gtgeorge]

Yes while we had 1200+ on the reseller server I was on, it only became a problem when someone was abusing their piece of the pie. HG's management and powerful servers ensure that many accounts could be on a server. This count did not included dedicated ips either!
Curiosity is fine, but anything beyond that is a waste of time. I even took the time to find all the domains that were hosted on GMC and found that over 1/2 were crap sites that receive no traffic anyhow. Just having a site that works and is quick is all that really matters

[regentronique]

Like i wrote before :

"...I also know that ressources and traffic are important factors, but do not want to debate on that..."

Seem that you debate it anyway...

This is a question of ethics.

If you guys dont care about the details, others have a right to know and in Canada there is laws providing that right and if a citizen do not want to exercice that right he do not have any right to blame others to exercice it.

So i still believe that bmorejon had the right to ask his question and have the right to get an answer.

[gtgeorge]

Originally Posted by regentronique

Like i wrote before :
If you guys dont care about the details, others have a right to know and in Canada there is laws providing that right and if a citizen do not want to exercice that right he do not have any right to blame others to exercice it.

So i still believe that bmorejon had the right to ask his question and have the right to get an answer.

And exactly who in this thread actually said that he didn't have the right? He was told where, how and that obviously several of us had done the same thing before. And if he posted a url hosted on the server, he may have actually gotten an answer with the actual count.

[regentronique]

Originally Posted by gtgeorge

And exactly who in this thread actually said that he didn't have the right?

kmaw wrote :
"What does it matter, unless you're experiencing problems?"

When i wrote "I believe that a customer have a right to know and to verify how crowded is his server for the price he pay... "

slapshotw wrote :
"I disagree. As long as it works, that's their business. "

and in regards of what slapshotw wrote, rota919 wrote :
"I agree with you"

Is it enough people?

They all try to discourage him in his need to know. Mostly slapshotw.

And i strongly disagree with slapshotw regarding business laws regarding the details of services offered for the money paid. Here in Canada a company could be sued for not providing the exact percentage of service offered to a shared customer. It is not "their business", if they refuse to disclose that information, it is against the law.

[slapshotw]

Originally Posted by regentronique

And i strongly disagree with slapshotw regarding business laws regarding the details of services offered for the money paid. Here in Canada a company could be sued for not providing the exact percentage of service offered to a shared customer. It is not "their business", if they refuse to disclose that information, it is against the law.

I have a feeling you're widely overstating that law. Care to point to it on the Canada law books?

Again, the number of domains on a server has absolutely 0, nothing, nil to do with how much of a "percentage of service" you are getting. Nothing. The "percentage of service" you're getting is what HG tells you you are paying for: a certain amount of disk space and bandwidth, with the right to do some limited things on the server (have 25 simultaneous mysql connections, run a cron as long as not too often, etc...). I think HG is pretty clear in their TOS and package page exactly what your service buys you. And the number of domains on the server still has absolutely nothing to do with your service.

I could easily sign up for a shared package and put 1000 add-on domains on my account with no traffic, and it wouldn't affect you at all. Or I could put 1 on and have it dugg hourly, and then let's see what happens.

Edit: Look, I don't want to sound like an ass (sometimes I can't help it), but I don't think it's any of your (or my) business how many clients HG has on its servers, and I seriously doubt the Canadian law says otherwise. It's competitive information that really has no bearing on your being a customer. I wouldn't tell one of my hosting clients. Besides, as I said, domains in no way = customers, clients, or load. There are plenty of tools online to do a reverse search by IP that will give you a rough estimate of domains on the shared IP, not counting dedicated IPs. You could find one with a google search. But you won't be learning any valuable information.

[Dwight]

Originally Posted by slapshotw

Again, the number of domains on a server has absolutely 0, nothing, nil to do with how much of a "percentage of service" you are getting. Nothing. The "percentage of service" you're getting is what HG tells you you are paying for: a certain amount of disk space and bandwidth, with the right to do some limited things on the server (have 25 simultaneous mysql connections, run a cron as long as not too often, etc...). I think HG is pretty clear in their TOS and package page exactly what your service buys you. And the number of domains on the server still has absolutely nothing to do with your service.

This is precisely right. I provide a service to my clients. I don't tell them exactly how I do it, what it costs me to do it, or any number of propriatary issues. As long as I get the job done at the agreed price, then it's done and everyone is happy.

I've had clients ask me pointblank what software I use, and I tell them it is none of their business... I usually make it a bit more diplomatic, but that's the gist of it..

[regentronique]

From your answers it just proove that it is preferable to do business with a canadian company because they have a philosophy that is better, regarding their relation with their customers...

They would never say that it is not of "their business" to a customer because it is legaly of "their business".

This right is provided in the "Canadian Common Law" and mostly where i live in the "Code Civil du Quebec". If someone take the time to write me the content of the american laws providing that a seller can refuse to tell the exact number of shared customers of a service, i will also take the time to write the entire section of the C.C.Q. law regarding this.

I do not know much about US business laws, but from your comments it is a lot less on the side of the customers. Maybe that is the reason why many hosting companys are so rude toward their customers and very often abusing.

I have a good opinion about HostGator for the moment, they seem to be a responsible and customer friendly company, but people like you scare the hell out of me and incite me to search for a canadian hosting company to be on the safe side...

I will also write a third time for those having difficulties to read :

"...I also know that ressources and traffic are important factors, but do not want to debate on that..."

Some of you seem to have difficulties to stick to the primary subject that is "a right to know".

P.S. For those having also problems with mathematics, i would suggest to study the equation of projected probabilities of traffic, or of a crash, on a server with 10 random accounts compare to 1000 random accounts, all having the same rules to follow.

[kmaw]

I'm Canadian... I'd like to know which law...

[regentronique]

kmaw start with : C.C.Q. 1433-1439, 1708-1733, 2100-2102

Good reading!

[slapshotw]

Originally Posted by regentronique

C.C.Q. 1433-1439,

1433-1439 defines what a contract is and mentions the ways they can become null. It has no bearing on this discussion of your percentage of shared services.

1708-1733

This mostly deals with property, but the relevant parts (if any) say:

"The seller is bound to deliver the area, contents or quantity specified in the contract." Is HostGator not giving you the space, bandwidth, and other resources you were promised as long as you abide by the terms of service?

Also, don't forget that you're not buying property on the server from Hostgator. You don't own the server nor the space for which you're paying. You're paying for the right to use some resources of their server within their TOS.

2100-2102

These sections don't mention shared services in any way, shape, or form. There is this wording in there though:

"They are also bound to act in accordance with usual practice and the rules of art, and, where applicable, to ensure that the work done or service provided is in conformity with the contract."

Usual practice of web hosts is not to tell people how many clients/domains are on each server. Also, as long as HG lives up to their end of the bargain (are in conformity with what they've promised you), it seems they are clear under Canadian law.

-Matt

[regentronique]

Originally Posted by slapshotw

1708-1733
This mostly deals with property, but the relevant parts (if any) say:

"The seller is bound to deliver the area, contents or quantity specified in the contract." Is HostGator not giving you the space, bandwidth, and other resources you were promised as long as you abide by the terms of service?

This is in section : "Nominate Contracts - Sale - Sale in General - General provisions"

This apply in general NOT only on properties...

There is also "jurisprudence" concerning important court trials and this is even more important. Ask the "Office de la Protection du Consommateur" about it!

As a Canadian enterprise in Quebec i must abide by theses rules and did it for the last 28 years.

It is very easy to discard information based on interpretation.

[slapshotw]

Originally Posted by regentronique

This is in section : "Nominate Contracts - Sale - Sale in General - General provisions"

This apply in general NOT only on properties...

That's fine, which is why I quoted a section that was applicable. It clearly says that HG is responsible for delivering the resources they promise in the contract. Where does it say in the law that you must be told what percentage of a shared service you're getting?

And come to think of it, thought the servers are "shared" servers, you're not really getting a shared service. You're getting a dedicated amount of resources on hardware that happens to be shared. Does your ISP tell you how many clients are on your local node? Does every contractor you use tell you how many clients they have? Of course they don't have to, as long as they get the service you're promised.

I don't think you should think of your service as shared. You get an amount of resources guaranteed to you as long as you behave within the terms of service, that happens to be provided using hardware that some other people use. It'd be a different story if HG guaranteed you and some unknown amount of people 50gb to share together.

[bmorejon]

Originally Posted by kmaw

What does it matter, unless you're experiencing problems?

It doesn´t matter. I just would like to know it.

[gtgeorge]

Originally Posted by bmorejon

It doesn´t matter. I just would like to know it.

For the site you put in your signature, look here
http://whois.domaintools.com/w3masters.com.br

[kmaw]

@Matt -- Thanks for going to the effort of looking up the code, saves others (including me) from doing it...

@regentronique -- The law is fairly subjective, have you consulted a lawyer? Do you have any case law to support your thoughts? I, personally, agree with Matt on the element of contract law -- as long as you or HG is providing the service agreed to in the contract, how you do it is up to you.

If you believe the above exert requires you to disclose these items, then that's up to you... better to be on the safe side.

Did anybody asking receive a reply from HG as to the number of domains are hosted on their server?

[bmorejon]

Originally Posted by gtgeorge

For the site you put in your signature, look here
http://whois.domaintools.com/w3masters.com.br

This site is not hosted in HostGator.

[gtgeorge]

Originally Posted by bmorejon

This site is not hosted in HostGator.

Yes, that's what the info showed. You were given a tool that does what you asked.