More Space for Reseller Hosting

[bmorejon]

My sugestion is to hostgator give more space for reseller clients.

[YukonMaster]

Originally Posted by bmorejon

My sugestion is to hostgator give more space for reseller clients.

Ya know, I have to agree with this, being a reseller is near impossible for users these days.

Look at Webhostingb*zz.com they have plans up to 200 GB and they can oversell, if it meant I would have more space etc to sell, and decent service etc, I would go for the larger account.

If they can do it, why can't HG?

[ldearing]

Originally Posted by YukonMaster

...If they can do it, why can't HG?

...they can, but my guess is that for concerns of performance and overall wellbeing of their clients, they choose not to. the very stable operating environment is one of the reasons im here. i have never had to apologize to anyone about the service level i provide them through Hostgator's reseller plans.

[YukonMaster]

Originally Posted by ldearing

...they can, but my guess is that for concerns of performance and overall wellbeing of their clients, they choose not to. the very stable operating environment is one of the reasons im here. i have never had to apologize to anyone about the service level i provide them through Hostgator's reseller plans.

I do see that part of it as well, but again, it's being competitive, as far as I have seen, WHB has not have many issues out of the norm, and I don't want to bash HG, because they are astounding, but no one is perfect, and this is one of the areas they could possible improve.

[rota919]

I have to agree on this one.
I host a couple of domains that receive virtually no traffic and use very little space.
I can't reduce the available space and bandwith to the client, cause like the rest of us they will start to moan, even if they don't use it.

So overselling up to a point would be nice.

[regentronique]

I also agree that Hostgator resellers plans are from the smallest in disk space i saw.

I would happily trade the [5gb for "unlimited domains"] for a [25gb for 25 domains]!

Unlimited domains with so small space is quite irrealistic and could achieve a lot more traffic and problems(more customers) than just a few domains with space they do not use...

[rota919]

Just been thinking.
HG does allow overselling in a way.

If you only sell to customers that you don't give cpanel access to you can create 100's of minimum packages, like 1gb disk and 1 gb bandwidth.

That way you can sell al lot of accounts and "upgrade" them as and when the need arise.

Problem is this sort of setup is not very practical if you need to give cpanel access

[kmaw]

No overselling is one of the principles that HG was built upon and I know Brent has mentioned that around here before...

I would say if you want to be allowed to oversell, go to that company that was mentioned above... maybe we could start a countdown for how long it takes you to come back...

[Dwight]

Originally Posted by rota919

Just been thinking.
HG does allow overselling in a way.

If you only sell to customers that you don't give cpanel access to you can create 100's of minimum packages, like 1gb disk and 1 gb bandwidth.

That way you can sell al lot of accounts and "upgrade" them as and when the need arise.

Problem is this sort of setup is not very practical if you need to give cpanel access

This is not overselling. It is giving a client what they need, but not more than they need. I do exactly the same thing. I have over 100 web site clients, and none of them know or care how much space they require, as long as their web site is on line. It takes a little fine tuning on my part now and then, to increase their size or bandwidth, but I squeeze a lot more clients into my allotted space that way.

[YukonMaster]

Originally Posted by kmaw

No overselling is one of the principles that HG was built upon and I know Brent has mentioned that around here before...

I would say if you want to be allowed to oversell, go to that company that was mentioned above... maybe we could start a countdown for how long it takes you to come back...

But what exactly is meant by that? HostGator clearly oversells their shared accounts, but saying NO OVERSELLING in general gives the impression that they don't at all.

[ldearing]

Originally Posted by Dwight

...giving a client what they need, but not more than they need. I do exactly the same thing. I have over 100 web site clients, and none of them know or care how much space they require, as long as their web site is on line. It takes a little fine tuning on my part now and then, to increase their size or bandwidth, but I squeeze a lot more clients into my allotted space that way.

im on the "dwight plan" as well - i can "pack-em" in that way too... none of my folks over here get cpanel.

[gwyneth]

Originally Posted by YukonMaster

But what exactly is meant by that? HostGator clearly oversells their shared accounts, but saying NO OVERSELLING in general gives the impression that they don't at all.

The former is a description about their own setup, but the latter is a rule. There's a huge difference.

In fact, the two have virtually nothing to do with each other.

It's like complaining that an apartment complex won't let tenants use jackhammers and hot asphalt equipment but is using them itself to fix the parking lot.

[kmaw]

Originally Posted by YukonMaster

But what exactly is meant by that? HostGator clearly oversells their shared accounts, but saying NO OVERSELLING in general gives the impression that they don't at all.

It's how it's worded...

Clearly, there's no way to be competitive in the shared market without overselling... there's no arguments about that here...

I think that overselling page (http://www.hostgator.com/overselling.shtml) is deceiving because it's linked to from a 'reseller info' page.

Overselling doesn't work effectively in the reseller market because of the intermediate level in the chain (the reseller).

[chaloupe]

Originally Posted by kmaw

It's how it's worded...


I think that overselling page (http://www.hostgator.com/overselling.shtml) is deceiving because it's linked to from a 'reseller info' page.

Let's ask Hostgator to update this page then!

I am about to applied at Hostgator to see if I can monitored the website/text update ( just dreaming here )

Best Regards,

[kmaw]

Originally Posted by chaloupe

Let's ask Hostgator to update this page then!

I am about to applied at Hostgator to see if I can monitored the website/text update ( just dreaming here )

Best Regards,

I wanted Jay's job... I think looking after the forum and the blog would be sweet! And a bit of sales on the side...

Pretty difficult to absorb the atmosphere when I'm not in Houston though... and I can't imagine HG would want to hire a customer... oh well...

[chaloupe]

Originally Posted by kmaw

Pretty difficult to absorb the atmosphere when I'm not in Houston though...

Yes but they have an office in TO ( lol not Tokyo )

Originally Posted by kmaw

and I can't imagine HG would want to hire a customer... oh well...

That was why I was saying dreaming

[kmaw]

Originally Posted by chaloupe

Yes but they have an office in TO ( lol not Tokyo )

That was why I was saying dreaming

Yes, I don't really want to make my way to Islington everyday.... sounds like a nice, quiet little office though.

[slapshotw]

Originally Posted by kmaw

I would say if you want to be allowed to oversell, go to that company that was mentioned above... maybe we could start a countdown for how long it takes you to come back...

Completely agree with kmaw. With reseller hosting, you only get 2 of the following:

1. More Space than the competition
2. A low price
3. Reliability

HG offers 2 and 3. Some hosts offer 1 and 2. Few reseller hosts offer 1 and 3. Choose which are most important to you and pick a host accordingly.

[esl]

VERY disappointed with HG's choice to oversell shared hosting. Disgusts me. I'll just leave it at that.

As mentioned before, I think the reseller plans are fine, but the ratio between disk space STINKS, mainly in the large packages. Look at it.

12gb to 125gb for Aluminum
50gb to 350gb for Diamond

HELLO? That hurts. Big time. Do you know how hard it is to make ends meet when you can't oversell (not saying I am for it) and can not maximize your disk space because the bandwidth ratio gets smaller as you upgrade your account? Do the math.

But that's just my humble opinion, not a big CEO's.

[slapshotw]

Originally Posted by esl

VERY disappointed with HG's choice to oversell shared hosting. Disgusts me. I'll just leave it at that.

This is nonsensical. Do you know how much your hosting bill would be if they didn't oversell? Or, if your bill stayed the same, do you know how small their packages would be? Then you'd claim you were disgusted by the small packages. Read my post above yours..you only get to choose two.

Do you know how hard it is to make ends meet when you can't oversell

You cannot make ends meet using reseller hosting without having value adds. There are too many shared hosts out there willing to give 500gb packages for $6/month. Competing on resources alone with a reseller server is just not possible.

And by the way, I'd like to see you create shared hosting plans on a dedicated, without reselling, that are based on resources alone, and have competitive amounts of space and resources. Lets say you were able to get Hostgator's elite server for $250/month. How would you do your non-overselling plans in a way that doesn't disgust you?

[regentronique]

Originally Posted by slapshotw

Completely agree with kmaw. With reseller hosting, you only get 2 of the following:

1. More Space than the competition
2. A low price
3. Reliability

HG offers 2 and 3. Some hosts offer 1 and 2. Few reseller hosts offer 1 and 3. Choose which are most important to you and pick a host accordingly.

I strongly disagree that HG offers #2.

From the 24 hosting companies i checked before coming here they were in the 3 highest price for almost the same reselling plan content. I came only because of their good reputation of reliability and customer support.

Now i have some reserves on technical staff competences even for level 3 techs. But this is another story...

Considering the overselling, i believe that it is a good philosophy to avoid doing it and educate the customers to the "real" world. But it gives a really bad example to oversell and not authorize resellers to do it. They should not be overselling themself if they not permit it. It is like saying : "We have the right to lie to make more money, but not you!"...

[chaloupe]

Those all 24 other hosts offering FREE WHMAP and FREE Enom account free templates? PHP 4 & 5 and so much more also?
A 'Turn Key Reseller Solution'

This is quite a good pricing.

Best Regards,

[regentronique]

Registrar account is available at most of the places for free, some have domains at 9$ other 10$ mostly with eNom.

The templates are a poisonous gift! What is the usefullness of developping a site with a template that you wont be able to bring with you elsewere if you have to transfer out of HG?

Concerning the billing manager, some are offering phpcoin and even whmcs included in their reseller plan, i agree that only 8 of them were offering that but were lower in price.

What is more important to me than the price is "qualified" staff! I am not convince at this point that HG is really better than the others in that field, i would say they are just over average...

Everyone is entitle to its opinion...

[esl]

Originally Posted by slapshotw

This is nonsensical. Do you know how much your hosting bill would be if they didn't oversell? Or, if your bill stayed the same, do you know how small their packages would be? Then you'd claim you were disgusted by the small packages. Read my post above yours..you only get to choose two.

I am entitled to an opinion. Have you been around long enough to see HostGator's specs on SHARED hosting before they were jacked up? They were fine. People don't use all of the GBs they pay for. If they tried to, I am sure they would be suspended for one reason or another. NO, their packages would not be that small, NO my bill would not be that high, because I would be ONLY paying for what I use. DO NOT anticipate my actions if events change because I NEVER had ANY PROBLEM with shared the plans before they increased.

Originally Posted by slapshotw

You cannot make ends meet using reseller hosting without having value adds. There are too many shared hosts out there willing to give 500gb packages for $6/month. Competing on resources alone with a reseller server is just not possible.

Sure you can. You just target a different group of people. It's just hard because of the ratio issue stated earlier to gain clients and keep profits while upgrading packages.

Originally Posted by slapshotw

And by the way, I'd like to see you create shared hosting plans on a dedicated, without reselling, that are based on resources alone, and have competitive amounts of space and resources. Lets say you were able to get Hostgator's elite server for $250/month. How would you do your non-overselling plans in a way that doesn't disgust you?

Okay, GET OVER THAT "DISGUST" WORD PLEASE! Did you not read the part that said "I'll just leave it at that." That's the hint that it's my personal opinion. eslhosting[dot]net. Nice plans, reasonable, fairly priced and makes nice profits. Yes, they are based around a dedicated server, and NO, I don't care what you have to say next. Have I ever personally jumped down your throat before; because I can certainly return the favor to you if you want.

THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION. To people who have not read any of my posts before, don't worry, I am not a mean person. This is probably my meanest post ever LOL.

[chaloupe]

Originally Posted by regentronique

Everyone is entitle to its opinion...

Yes you are right about that.

I was not going against it. I was just curious to see about the other host since you said you have viewed around 24 other host. It was just for my personal information and not to say you were wrong.

All of this brings point so Hostgator can see it and if they want, brings change to their reseller plans or leave it the way it is.



Best Regards,