A lot of questions while considering your hosting

[mrbert]

I have two zencart webshops (one selling photographs via downloads)
A few normal HTML/PHP (HTMP with PHP extension to allow includes) sites 4 of them with MYSQL driven guestbook.
Two sites with a Wordpress weblog. and a webcalendar based on MYSQL

I get about 5000 visitors/day total at this moment.

Total disk use I see now is about 20 gig but can well grow to double of that.(I am working on two Photo sites with >1000 high resolution images each)

In preparation of new photo site I need to upload files in folders that will not yes be available to browser for some time and thus not directly linked to one of the sites. (This might appears as web storage but that is not the propose. I have backups on DVD and 2nd PC harddisk.)

I need at least on IPnumber that Ican use for confirmation of originating site. I need to give that to the payment processor and that gets verified on payment request.

Maybe I want to offer also some steaming video content but that is for future

At his moment there a 5 Websites reached under 9 domains. I want to have at least possibility to have 10 unique websites and a few subdomain. Some have content that will be rated as adult

I want to use .htaccess for some access restriction, index protection and control of PHP memory size for some of the sites


I read a lot about blacklisted mailservers How about yours? What actions are taken if a server gets blacklisted?
Also I read some treaths on your forum about slow mail delivery How about that?

Greets Bert

[Sam]

You will need to get a dedicated server for that amount of stuff...

Hostgator have a 50k INODE limit on a shared server and you will likely be well over that with a photo site..

And 5000 visitors a day will probably get you suspended for CPU abuse on a shared server..

[mrbert]

Thats Quiete confusing what is a 50k inode limit?

[Sam]

It means you can have 50,000 files and folders..

1 Folder = 1 iNODE
1 File = 1 iNODE

These limits dont apply on a dedicated server

[kmaw]

Originally Posted by _Sam_

It means you can have 50,000 files and folders..

1 Folder = 1 iNODE
1 File = 1 iNODE

These limits dont apply on a dedicated server

So it was probably pointless to bring it up....

[Sam]

Originally Posted by kmaw

So it was probably pointless to bring it up....

Why not? He didnt say he was looking at a dedicated

[kmaw]

Originally Posted by mrbert

I have two zencart webshops (one selling photographs via downloads)
A few normal HTML/PHP (HTMP with PHP extension to allow includes) sites 4 of them with MYSQL driven guestbook.
Two sites with a Wordpress weblog. and a webcalendar based on MYSQL

I get about 5000 visitors/day total at this moment.

Total disk use I see now is about 20 gig but can well grow to double of that.(I am working on two Photo sites with >1000 high resolution images each)

Like Sam says, you'll need a dedicated server for that...whichever one you choose is mostly dependent on how much you want to pay.. however, most would recommend the 'Standard'

Originally Posted by mrbert

I need at least on IPnumber that Ican use for confirmation of originating site. I need to give that to the payment processor and that gets verified on payment request.

You get 5 dedicated IP addresses with the option to purchase more. This will do for your.

Originally Posted by mrbert

At his moment there a 5 Websites reached under 9 domains. I want to have at least possibility to have 10 unique websites and a few subdomain. Some have content that will be rated as adult

I want to use .htaccess for some access restriction, index protection and control of PHP memory size for some of the sites

No problems with this stuff... depends on your configuration is set up depends how you go about some of it, but it's all possible and all easy.

Originally Posted by mrbert

I read a lot about blacklisted mailservers How about yours? What actions are taken if a server gets blacklisted?
Also I read some treaths on your forum about slow mail delivery How about that?

Most of the issues about slow mail delivery are related to the shared servers... few people ever have problem with mail on dedicateds and often then it's related to DNS and connection issues.

Blacklists -- you're the only one on your server, so if you get blacklisted it's your fault... HG will try and help you get unlisted and figure out why.. but at least you don't have to worry about others, it's just you...


All my responses relate to dedicated servers, since that's your only option here.

As always, e-mail sales@hostgator.com for 'official' responses...

[kmaw]

Originally Posted by _Sam_

Why not? He didnt say he was looking at a dedicated

It just seemed confusing when you said he'll probably need a dedicated, then mention inodes in shared servers.... not really a big deal though......

[Sam]

Originally Posted by kmaw

It just seemed confusing when you said he'll probably need a dedicated, then mention inodes in shared servers.... not really a big deal though......

Woops.. i guess i need to read over what i write before i post it

[kmaw]

Originally Posted by _Sam_

Woops.. i guess i need to read over what i write before i post it

haha...

[steve_a]

Originally Posted by mrbert

I need at least on IPnumber that Ican use for confirmation of originating site. I need to give that to the payment processor and that gets verified on payment request.

The way you put it this doesn't have to do anything with the server.

Originally Posted by mrbert

Maybe I want to offer also some steaming video content but that is for future

You need a dedicated with lots of bandwidth, video is not a toy in hosting

Originally Posted by mrbert

At his moment there a 5 Websites reached under 9 domains. I want to have at least possibility to have 10 unique websites and a few subdomain. Some have content that will be rated as adult

Free accounts to HG members

Originally Posted by mrbert

I want to use .htaccess for some access restriction, index protection and control of PHP memory size for some of the sites

Control of PHP memory size? Set memory sizes to your scripts so they will come back and haunt you with fatal errors?

[ViragoTech]

Id ask sales first, to many members here think everyone needs dedicated. Dunno how many told me that here but sales said I would be just fine moving my site here with no problems. Dunno why so many do it, maybe they get a cut if they push you into a dedicated account but don't take anyones here word as gospel on what you need until you talk to official hostgator employees.

[mrbert]

Hi Jedito and the others,
At this moment I cannot afford the semi dedicated.
I do not really make any money on the sites until now. If I would start making and see that I am running out of resources, money will be there and I sure will need semi dedicated or dedicated.
About the streaming content:
That is just a wish for the future triggered by the offer of streaming content possibilities by some of these hosters I listed.

Related to the number of files I will use:
I checked the folder containing the larger amount of photo's
That are at this moment 1700 so say total will be 3500 (OK I like some marging Then double that for thumbnails so 7000. I have 2 webshops with 2700 files each and when I take that as an average for each site that will add up to 10*2700+7000about 34000 files and I think that is with quite some marging . This number really amazes me but will be well below the 50.000
The total number of folders I calculate is around 2000 for all sites I have.
The number of visitor I mentioned is what I get from the statistics of my current websites hosted at servage. I have no clue how accurate these numbers are because I heard many complaint about their accuracy. For some of the sites I have a statcounter installed showing about half the page views and I tent to trust them some more.
When I look at the used bandwidth at this moment I see about 7 gig/month. about 0.25 gig/day in total . That will grow when I reallly get traffic on the photosite. but I will be happy if the traffic doubles for that That would soon drive my budget to a higher level and then I can accept that I have to move some sites again.

[mrbert]

sorry I meant to write viragotech! in my previous post did a wrong copy past of your name:S

[charlesgan]

hi mrbert. bottomline is that 5000 unique a day for zen cart site is quit huge load for a small shared hosting. especially as its being shared by few ten or hundreds of other websites.

should consider the semi-dedicated or the dedicated server.

[mrbert]

Hi You mis understood
it was 5000 all sites.

Bothe the shops do about 5000 a day Wish it was more

[mrbert]

Hi , I guess typing right after I wake up is a disaster:S

You mis understood it was 5000 all sites.

Both the the shops do about 500 pageloads each a day Sure wish it was much more

My choise is arrowing down to just a few possible hosts now

BTW did anyone notice that hostgator was un reachable yesterday?

[gwyneth]

Originally Posted by _Sam_

Why not? He didnt say he was looking at a dedicated

He also asked what 'inodes' meant, which is what Sam was answering, as well as commenting on the probability of needing a dedi, so it wasn't pointless.

[gwyneth]

Originally Posted by ViragoTech

Id ask sales first, to many members here think everyone needs dedicated. Dunno how many told me that here but sales said I would be just fine moving my site here with no problems. Dunno why so many do it, maybe they get a cut if they push you into a dedicated account but don't take anyones here word as gospel on what you need until you talk to official hostgator employees.

This is potentially the most misleading comment posted on this forum in months.

First, it's wrong to say anybody thinks "everyone" needs dedicated. I personally can't remember a single recommendation for dedi done before learning about the demands somebody's proposed site will make.

Second, HG sales employees are not as technical, on the whole, as some of the more experienced members.

But the real flaw in your logic here is that a potential customer is likely to be a lot more direct and candid asking forum members about the issue than discussing it with sales. The potential customer has a conflict, in that they want to purchase the lowest-priced plan that will do what they want; the sales employee wants to make the sale.

The salesperson's answer can be only as good as the information provided by the potential customer, who may be reluctant to describe the situation that has him or her host-shopping.

There have been dozens of posts here in the last year from disingenuous users who were almost immediately suspended because the operations of their site did not fit the hosting plan they purchased--in a wide variety of ways.

In many cases, the outraged new user/ex-user first acts bewildered--typically with a 'how could I have been at fault?' coyness--but as s/he reveals more about exactly what their site was doing, or how it worked, it's obvious why there was a problem.

It's almost impossible to believe those people described their situations, wants, needs, etc. completely and honestly to the HG sales dept before signing up.

viragotech, before you make such sweeping, misguided statements, you should go back and read a selection of threads started by people who had been or were about to be suspended.

Your comment shows you are not only less familiar with HG plan limits and the forum as you are trying to act, but that you don't have as firm a grasp on the technical side of this issue as you probably think.

[mrbert]

Something strange here:S

Just wrote a message here and it did not show up
I asked the same question sending the same message with all the numbers to sales@hostgator and got the advise to use the baby plan.
I guess when I provide this info They will gave a look and do not want me to get into trouble assigning for that package?

[mrbert]

what puzzels me is that with reseller hosting you get only 12 - 20 gig while with baby hosting you already get 100

[Sam]

Originally Posted by mrbert

what puzzels me is that with reseller hosting you get only 12 - 20 gig while with baby hosting you already get 100

Its because on a shared account it isnt possible to use 100gb so hostgator can offer that.. and most people will only use about 1gb, but on a reseller server if they offered 100gb then resellers (and their cliens) will eventualy use all the space and the servers will become overloaded

[mrbert]

Hi Sam,

OK new puzzle for me.

How comes you never can use 100 gig on a shared hosting?
I think it is just a matter of uploading data?

[Sam]

Originally Posted by mrbert

Hi Sam,

OK new puzzle for me.

How comes you never can use 100 gig on a shared hosting?
I think it is just a matter of uploading data?

because of the 50k iNODE limits & you will end up getting suspended if you try to do a backup as it will take a lot of resources to backup 100gb

[mrbert]

ok with 50000 files it would take 2 meg/file.

now say I want to have 5000 10 meg files?
That leaves plenti inodes fol folders and webpages Or do I understand wrong?