hosting multiple websites

illumina_foxz · #1 12-01-2007, 10:36 PM

Hello,
I would like to have more information about hosting multiple websites.
For example, if I have www.game.com and www.party.com .. two entirely different websites... Is it possible to divide space/bandwidth on the shared hosting account for the two (or more) websites? Or would I need reseller account for that? I need to know how would I host multiple websites from the shared hosting account.

GvilleRick · #2 12-01-2007, 10:42 PM

The Baby and Swamp plans can be used to host multiple domains. You would sign up using one domain and then use the add-on domain feature in the cPanel of that site to set up the other domain. There are several posts in the forums that describe using addon domains in more detail.

gtgeorge · #3 12-02-2007, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by illumina_foxz

Hello,
I would like to have more information about hosting multiple websites.
For example, if I have www.game.com and www.party.com .. two entirely different websites... Is it possible to divide space/bandwidth on the shared hosting account for the two (or more) websites? Or would I need reseller account for that? I need to know how would I host multiple websites from the shared hosting account.

To divide the available resources you would need a reseller plan. To share them, you can use shared. Unless you are reselling hosting or you need separate cpanels for domain accounts or the few extra dns type features, shared is fine.

Steve1943 · #4 12-02-2007, 06:07 PM

I presently use a Baby shared account to host a dozen of so domains via the add-on domain facility. I'm planning on adding quite a few more too.

Resources are no problem as both traffic and disk space used are still modest - and upgrades are available at reasonable cost anyway.

But I've seen recommendations (not specific to Hostgator) to use a reseller account to host multiple domains. Possibly that was a reflection of inability to host multiple domains at other shared hosting services.

I do worry sometimes about the subdomain redirects that are implemented to support add-on domains - and whether they might someday become SEO liabilities.

Just what are the advantages (if any) of a reseller site for a multi-domain Hostgator user who is NOT planning on reselling? Are there any disadvantages - other than cost?

Would a reseller account allow me to purchase different class C IP addresses for some of the add-on domains? Or can I do that anyway with a shared account (Baby)?

jlv · #5 12-02-2007, 07:10 PM

In a related question - I just signed up and have several subdomains of an add-on domain I use to host mailing lists (for different scout troops). I.e., "all@troop99.example.com". However, adding an add-on domain and adding a sub-domain both end up adding a vhost in Apache. How can I turn that off? I don't want any web space for most of these, just the mailing lists.

slapshotw · #6 12-03-2007, 12:48 AM

There are a lot of threads about the differences between being a reseller and using add-on domains in shared. One came up only a day ago, I believe in the forum areas you can access. It comes down (mostly) to having the ability to give each domain a different control panel login.

As far as Class-Cs go: the "SEO Benefit" you get from that is a myth. Hostgator sells that kind of hosting at SEOHosting.com if you really think you need it, though.

For the subdomain redirects: as long as you use 301 redirects to make sure that anybody trying to access the add-on does so the domain, and not the folder in the main domain, you'll be fine.

Steve1943 · #7 12-03-2007, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by slapshotw

........ It comes down (mostly) to having the ability to give each domain a different control panel login.
.......

Thanks for your help.

If I'm not reselling I can't think of any scenario where separate control panel logins would be useful - I'm obviously missing something here.

Yes - I learned the hard way (leaking traffic to 401) that you need to get indexed and known under the domain name rather than the target path. AND that you need permanent redirects to get your indexing updated.

codesight · #8 12-03-2007, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by slapshotw
As far as Class-Cs go: the "SEO Benefit" you get from that is a myth. Hostgator sells that kind of hosting at SEOHosting.com if you really think you need it, though.

What do you mean by SEO benies of the Class-C is a myth?

It isn't necessary? Having multiple sites on one IP is fine? I'm a bit confused on this now that you brought up this statement. Can you please elaborate?

Thanks!

gwyneth · #9 12-03-2007, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve1943

Thanks for your help.

If I'm not reselling I can't think of any scenario where separate control panel logins would be useful - I'm obviously missing something here.

One scenario would be if you needed SSL certificates on separate domains.

codesight · #10 12-05-2007, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by codesight

What do you mean by SEO benies of the Class-C is a myth?

It isn't necessary? Having multiple sites on one IP is fine? I'm a bit confused on this now that you brought up this statement. Can you please elaborate?

Thanks!

Anyone, anyone?

Bueller, Bueller?

olite · #11 12-05-2007, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by illumina_foxz

Hello,
I would like to have more information about hosting multiple websites.
For example, if I have www.game.com and www.party.com .. two entirely different websites... Is it possible to divide space/bandwidth on the shared hosting account for the two (or more) websites? Or would I need reseller account for that? I need to know how would I host multiple websites from the shared hosting account.

Simply put, no u can't define allocations to domains on shared packages. You would need a reseller account.

You can easily host multiple sites on a shared account, although they will all be under the one account allocations, no further divisions for allocated space/bandwith is possible (this is one of the perks of reseller accounts).

slapshotw · #12 12-05-2007, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by codesight

What do you mean by SEO benies of the Class-C is a myth?

It isn't necessary? Having multiple sites on one IP is fine? I'm a bit confused on this now that you brought up this statement. Can you please elaborate?

Thanks!

Hi, sorry, didn't see this. Yes, it's a myth. The SEO benefit you get from having your sites linking to each other from different class Cs is nil to nothing.

codesight · #13 12-05-2007, 09:45 PM

So, what you are telling me, is that SEO Hosting, etc... is nothing more than a marketing ploy?

I'd really like to see some evidence. Not that I don't believe you, but I like to be able to investigate information on my own.

slapshotw · #14 12-05-2007, 10:52 PM

You're never going to get straight evidence of it, because the only people that know for sure are the people who work at the search engines.

And of course, you can choose to believe me or not. I do search engine optimization almost all day, every day though, and we stopped caring about the "Class C issue" a long time ago.

codesight · #15 12-06-2007, 07:16 AM

I'm assuming you've done some studies concerning this issue and it didn't seem that having site on the same IP hurt the rankings in the search engines.

If you've done that little bit of study, that would help my believe.

For what it's worth, I have no reason TO or NOT TO believe you, I'm on the fence on this issue.

kmaw · #16 12-06-2007, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by codesight

So, what you are telling me, is that SEO Hosting, etc... is nothing more than a marketing ploy?

Maybe -- maybe not.... there is a market demanding it, so HG is trying to capture that market....

codesight · #17 12-06-2007, 10:13 AM

Well, yeah, I understand that HG is trying to do that. What I'm wondering is if the SEO benefits are really a myth and they are marketing on this myth.

slapshotw · #18 12-06-2007, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by codesight

I'm assuming you've done some studies concerning this issue and it didn't seem that having site on the same IP hurt the rankings in the search engines.

Yes. The vast majority of the work my company does is SEO work for other companies. After a lot of jobs, we think we have a good sense for what works and what is myth. And the different class-c idea, according to our experience, is a myth.

As I said though; the only people who really know are the search engines, and they're not telling (yet!). Nobody outside of those engineers will be able to tell you for sure.

codesight · #19 12-07-2007, 07:21 AM

Thank you for information you have provided. This has been a concern of mine since hearing about the SEO hosting from HG. Most of my hosting clients are web development clients as well and was curious if me linking to them from my site would hurt me and/or them because of the IP issue.

IronWarrior · #20 12-07-2007, 01:27 PM

May I hijack your topic for just one question please.

I only have one website, but if I were to set up an other site, how would the ftp be sorted?

At the moment, all the website files are after public_html right, if I wanted to set up an other site, would I need to crate a new folder in public_html or just dump them alongside the other folders?

My thinking is that, I would prefer to keep each website and it's folders and everything for that one site apart from the other, so things don't get too messy.

gtgeorge · #21 12-07-2007, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by IronWarrior

May I hijack your topic for just one question please.

I only have one website, but if I were to set up an other site, how would the ftp be sorted?

At the moment, all the website files are after public_html right, if I wanted to set up an other site, would I need to crate a new folder in public_html or just dump them alongside the other folders?

My thinking is that, I would prefer to keep each website and it's folders and everything for that one site apart from the other, so things don't get too messy.

If you are asking about another domain, it would be an addon domain which would have it's own folder within the public_html folder.

gwyneth · #22 12-07-2007, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by gtgeorge

If you are asking about another domain, it would be an addon domain which would have it's own folder within the public_html folder.

But don't make that folder yourself--use cPanel's "addon domain" thing, which will create the directory. Then you can even make a separate ftp account, if you wish, through the ftp manager.

IronWarrior · #23 12-07-2007, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by gwyneth

But don't make that folder yourself--use cPanel's "addon domain" thing, which will create the directory. Then you can even make a separate ftp account, if you wish, through the ftp manager.

But wouldn't that folder be created alongside in between all the other folders of the first site?

gwyneth · #24 12-07-2007, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by IronWarrior

But wouldn't that folder be created alongside in between all the other folders of the first site?

Each addon would have its own subdirectory in public_html. No other option if you want an addon domain through shared, non-reseller cPanel accounts. If done correctly, the domain's "add-onness" should be transparent to the outside world.

gtgeorge · #25 12-07-2007, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by IronWarrior

But wouldn't that folder be created alongside in between all the other folders of the first site?

If that is confusing for you, you can request HG to set it up so your main domain files are also hosted in a subfolder. That way all domains will have a seperate folder in the public_html directory. HG has been good about changing the doc_root to a subfolder.