Do I really get 600gb???

[miktor]

I was wondering if I will run into problems if I use about 70-150gb of diskspace on my 600gb account. I am not running any scripts, just regular HTML pages and media files (not warez). Maximum downloads at the same time will be 3.

I read the TOS but I also wanted to make sure here.

I don't plan on being a resource hog, just need a 6th of the space advertised...

[joer80]

Just dont use it as a file storage server and you will be fine. Make sure your photos are listed on an html page.

I was at godaddy and backed up all of my pictures onto my space, and they almost killed my account unless I put them on html pages.

I came here and asked hostgator chat if I could store my photos here, and they said no, its not space for backing up files.

[miktor]

Yes, all are on HTML pages.

I have it password protected with .htaccess so I won't go over my bandwidth and there will be no hot-linking...is that a problem?

[slapshotw]

It sounds like it should be ok, however, for confirmation send an email to sales [at] hostgator [dot] com. Then you'll have an answer from sales, in writing.

[miktor]

I spoke with live support (chat) and they said I can use the full 600gb. I saved the conversation.

[Honsu]

If they are on html-pages, you are completely fine.
http://www.aggzzu.bedavahostum.info/my-image3.jpg

[Rockoids]

Originally Posted by Honsu

If they are on html-pages, you are completely fine.
http://www.aggzzu.bedavahostum.info/my-image3.jpg

Yes, there are two or three sites like that left

[timtak]

Originally Posted by Rockoids

Yes, there are two or three sites like that left

What do you mean "left", and why only "two or three"?

[Rockoids]

Originally Posted by timtak

What do you mean "left", and why only "two or three"?

Straight HTML of course.

[timtak]

Sorry I don't understand.

[Rockoids]

Originally Posted by Rockoids

Straight HTML of course.

I am just following the question about 600GB of storage and the statement about regular HTML pages. My response was meant as a joke -- obviously not a very good one.

[timtak]

Please would anyone be so kind as to post a link to (or if they are scared of their bandwidth being used up) email me (with the address linked from email on nihonbunka.com) the url of a site that has more than 10GB of multimedia?

[Prezadent]

I am very confused by this thread.

Why is the OP confused about being able to use the full GB? What in the TOS is causing the confusion?

Its akin to stopping next to a patrolman asking if its OK to go the speed limit.

[timtak]

Some other hosts write in their Terms of Service that for instance multimedia files be limited to a few Gigabytes, thus rather making a mockery of the hundreds that they are offering IMHO.

On the other hand there are those that claim that if any host offering the sort of deals that are being offered now, in terms of Giga bytes of disk space and massive bandwidth, and there are several others with similar figures, then they would not be able to afford to provide the service if customers really used it. The vast majority of customers do not use anthing like the amount being offered.

Host Gator insists that people do not use their web space as a spare hard disk for backup. You must use space on the server for publishing things on the Internet. Hence it seems from reading the above that media files should be linked from internet pages so that they are available for download. This means presumably that they will be downloaded occassionally. There is enough bandwidth to allow this to happen. The plans all offer enough bandwidth to allow the full contents of ones hard disk space to be downloaded ten times per month.

However were this to take place one might come up against other limits.

[timtak]

Where is the real line? Where does the hype begin? Why is it so difficult?

Drat. I want a LOW bandwidth 10-20GB host at about $7 a month (3yr contract okay) but where is this host? Is that too a pipedream?

Looking at hard disk prices, disk space costs about $.5a GB but disks die and need replacing.

SG says 750GB and 5GB at the same time and moles claim that the truth is far far less.

Mon'H says 1500Gb and cuts off at 60GB (that sound real generous).

HG stands by its guns and says 350, or 600GB! I fail to believe in 600GB. Is it true? Where is the truth?

Perhaps I should start another thread here or at webhosting talk asking about the maximum that people have successfullly, really uploaded without being suspended. Is there such at thread? Why is it so difficult? Confusion abounds.

Tim

[Sandro]

Originally Posted by timtak

Where is the real line? Where does the hype begin? Why is it so difficult?

Drat. I want a LOW bandwidth 10-20GB host at about $7 a month (3yr contract okay) but where is this host? Is that too a pipedream?

Looking at hard disk prices, disk space costs about $.5a GB but disks die and need replacing.

SG says 750GB and 5GB at the same time and moles claim that the truth is far far less.

Mon'H says 1500Gb and cuts off at 60GB (that sound real generous).

HG stands by its guns and says 350, or 600GB! I fail to believe in 600GB. Is it true? Where is the truth?

Perhaps I should start another thread here or at webhosting talk asking about the maximum that people have successfullly, really uploaded without being suspended. Is there such at thread? Why is it so difficult? Confusion abounds.

Tim

Maybe this will help

[timtak]

Thank you. That is very useful, and refreshingly honest. It is the most honest I have seen.

At the same time, since it comes down to CPU and memory then it is still very diffficult to know what one is purchasing, much less compare hosts.

Rather than the disk space limit and the bandwidth limti, this becomes i guess, the important line in the TOS:

"Use 25% or more of system resources for longer then 90 seconds"

But
1) This depends upon who else is on the server with you. If there are 200 sites that only have a picture of someones dog then one may effectively have a dedicated server to one self (300GB?!) but this could be as low as less than one GB if everyone else wants to upload quite a lot of stuff.
2) Is there even a way of knowing how much, as a percentage, of the system resources that one is using?
3) As now being discussed eslewhere, users are not informed when they are pushing this the real limit. So the limit will come like a thunderbolt from way out there in the blue.

In other words, the limit exists but it is variable and a mystery to the users, as far as I know.

Tim

[timtak]

Another important phrase may be:

"How do all us shared web hosting companies sell more disk space and bandwidth for ten bucks then the dedicated server providers sell for hundreds?" (the implied answer being that they don't really since there are CPU and memory limits which come into play before the disk limits do.)

And, in other words, the shared plan should be thought of as being just that, a share of a server. The standard dedicated server has a hard disk of 250GB. I believe there are about 100 (120?) users to a server, or on average 2GB of space (does anyone know how to check?). But of course many of those 100 users will only be uploading a blog with a few pictures of their dog. All the same, 10-20GB sounds unrealistically hopeful.

I get 0.6GB from 'egopower' at the moment I pretty much filled it up a couple of years ago. But it may well be a realistic amount to expect. (Realistic disk space or not, their support is dumb and they have no user forums.)

Tim

[Rockoids]

Originally Posted by timtak

Another important phrase may be:

"How do all us shared web hosting companies sell more disk space and bandwidth for ten bucks then the dedicated server providers sell for hundreds?" (the implied answer being that they don't really since there are CPU and memory limits which come into play before the disk limits do.)

And, in other words, the shared plan should be thought of as being just that, a share of a server. The standard dedicated server has a hard disk of 250GB. I believe there are about 100 (120?) users to a server, or on average 2GB of space (does anyone know how to check?). But of course many of those 100 users will only be uploading a blog with a few pictures of their dog. All the same, 10-20GB sounds unrealistically hopeful.

I get 0.6GB from 'egopower' at the moment I pretty much filled it up a couple of years ago. But it may well be a realistic amount to expect. (Realistic disk space or not, their support is dumb and they have no user forums.)

Tim

It's closer to 200 as claimed by HostGator, though I suspect it could be more. But that might be a suspicion. Depending on the host or server, it could be 400, 600 or more. Regardless, it doesn't matter how many are on the server, so long as your experience is good. But it's important that any host deal with resource abusers pronto.

That means suspend them and, if they fail to resolve their problems, terminate them. There's only so much you can do with transactions that don't cost you much more than a combo meal at Wendys.

[timtak]

I have nothing against the suspension - yeah good.

But knowing roughly when suspension is going to come sounds very usefull. Or just normal. Most times when people buy things, they don't just buy in the dark and hope that their "experience will be good." Imagine going to a gas stand asking to purchase gas, but only of an indeterminant amount and being assured "that one's experience will be good."

If you have a few GB of material then knowing whether you are going to be able to upload it or not is also useful.

If there are 200 on a server, then perhaps about 1GB of user space. and 10 of those users have already uploaded 10GB then there is only about .8GB left on average. Which makes egopowerwebs 0.6 seem about the same price.

All the same, 10GB of Western Digital hard disk space costs less than a combo meal at Wendy's.

I started renting my egopowerweb's 0.6GB 5 years ago when disk space was about $2.5 per megabyte (this next is an interesting page)
http://www.littletechshoppe.com/ns1625/winchest.html
It is now about $0.5 per Gigabyte
http://www.shopbot.com.au/~western+digital
(of course the disks would need to be replaced periodically, and they give out heat which needs to be cooled)

Bearing in mind the decrease in cost of disk space over the past five years, perhaps I should be looking for a host that provides 3GB, for real.

[slapshotw]

Just so you guys know, these servers have far more than 200gb of space. Just remember that when trying your calculations.

And, the majority of users stay way under 1gb.

[timtak]

This is a bit like Cluedo.

[mrproper]

Originally Posted by slapshotw

Just so you guys know, these servers have far more than 200gb of space. Just remember that when trying your calculations.

And, the majority of users stay way under 1gb.

I used to have some test sites on my account, that with full backups went up to 3-4Gb of space (big wikis with images).

Now I use less than 500mb, for 10 sites, and I hope to reduce it even more. Spring cleaning is fun! I bet I can go even lower than that once I set up some smart backup services and remove more junk...

[whatrevolution]

Originally Posted by timtak

This is a bit like Cluedo.

It really is.

Originally Posted by Tshirtdesignz

As long as its not hardcore media files dragging the server down, and their not overselling, its fine.http://rofltshirts.info/image3.jpg

They are overselling, and it is still okay. The servers seem well managed. As if HG might be behind on technical support and people with time or energy to describe details of it here, because they're busy hiring and working to keep the machines and software doing their thing.

Answering requests for http://sallyomallielog.net/lol/pics/AWWWWPUPPIE.jpg

I think it is likely, after these threads, and conversations I've had about it, that HG does marshal user CPU usage well. That means people must keep the over-sold machines balanced in usage. Heavy use of resource within the limits of the contract must be solved quickly; more disks, move to a faster or less crowded server in the pool, etc.

There is the contract, and they do the work to make it happen.

The real accounts which are physically upon and given access to resources of that machine, are then worth roughly a cheap meal per month.

$5 x 500 users = $2500 per month

$2500 x 500 servers = $1,250,000 per month

Shared hosting. Yes, we really do get what we pay for.

[natong]

Can I host my own speech VCD(MPG) 800MB x 40 files.
Yes, All files link to HTML.

Max users in the time are 2 or 3.

I really want to known, anyone can transfer 500GB per month ?