concerning PHP

[programmer]

Wouldn't it be possible to install PHP5, and configure Apache to use PHP5 when the extension of a file is .php5? I think that'd really be useful. I enjoy working on PHP5, and some might want to try to make their scripts work under both php4 and php5 and want to test it out. Just an idea; but I think that'd be neat.

[trialbyfire]

The last time PHP was upgraded was on September 14th of 2004 (PHP 4.3.8). 8 months is not trivial in these digital times.

Now, I'm just starting to learn PHP and all the books I'm able to easily acquire are PHP 5. (And you know, why learn PHP 4 if PHP 5 is out?).

I'm sure going from PHP 4.3.8 to PHP 5 is going to cause some (many?) scripts to break.

HOWEVER! Why not move those resellers (who want PHP 5) all together onto their own shared server with PHP 5 on it? We can be the PHP 5 guinea pigs for HostGator!

If we can't stay ahead of the curve, can we at least not be behind the times?

-John

[hotdog]

Because PHP5 is still beta, HostGator only install Alpha versions, which is good because as mentioned many scripts may break.
But as well as the alpha/beta thing, fantasico etc has to be updated before the change can happen all there would be lots of unhappy people if one of the scripts didn't work.

As for installing PHP5 as .php5, what happens when it is fully installed? was bad enough using .php3 and then going to just .php, at least .php degrades happily.

Anyone worried about the switch (when it happens) they should download Apache/Mysql/PHP 5 bundle and play with it on your PC, heaps of places have the bundles, some with installers (linux users just download PHP5 as the rest is default)

[trialbyfire]

I thought they were past the beta testing stage.

On PHP.net the last BETA version was PHP 5.0.0. This was dated February 12th, 2004.

Since then there have been 3 release candidates and 3 version upgrades.

Wouldn't this be considered alpha by now?

-John

[sonic]

FYI:
The levels of software from development to production are usually:
ALPHA -> BETA -> PRODUCTION or GOLD or STABLE
Sometimes there is a GAMMA level after BETA.
These terms are the first three letters of Greek alphabet.

As of PHP, latest versions are 4.3.10 and 5.0.3, both production level.
I believe that cPanel only supports (at production level) version 4, at this time.

HTH
sonic

[trialbyfire]

Thanks for clearing that up, Sonic!

I hope HostGator is up to the challenge, because for the most part I like their service.

Maybe they'll have it up-and-running once I get through my 800-page "Beginning PHP 5" manual. If not, I guess I'll get some 800-page MySQL manual. If it's not up-and-running by then, I think I'll be fairly frustrated. 'Cause I don't read too fast, either. And I don't have much time to read. So yeah. . .

-John

[jlgreer1]

After you finish the 800 page versions of PHP and Mysql, you could start on an 800 page PHP-Mysql-Apache manual.

Jeff

[emartin]

I too would like to know what Hostgator's plans are on upgrading to PHP5.

As far as I understand, CPanel runs on it's own version of PHP (so upgrading will not effect CPanel) and PHP5 includes a configuration option in the php.ini file (zend.ze1_compatibility_mode) that makes it backwards compatible with Zend1 (PHP 4.x) scripts.

There still may be some issues, but as long as the PHP scripts were properly coded in the first place, they should still work

[smiley]

I run wamp server on my test machine at home, i have php5 and php4 running side by side, with latest mysql version


also i test on apache and iis


php5 support would be great! i have dozens of books on php5!

[brudjazz]

Originally Posted by sonic

FYI:
The levels of software from development to production are usually:
ALPHA -> BETA -> PRODUCTION or GOLD or STABLE
Sometimes there is a GAMMA level after BETA.
These terms are the first three letters of Greek alphabet.

As of PHP, latest versions are 4.3.10 and 5.0.3, both production level.
I believe that cPanel only supports (at production level) version 4, at this time.

HTH
sonic

LOL! I was giggling at that guy who said that HG only installs Alpha software. The day that happens, my first word of advice will be "Run!".
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[gideon]

Bump

php5 is stable for a long time now.. I've been 'asking' if its supported for over a month ( around once a week ) but I think posting it here once will be sufficient.. My website is designed in php5 (it uses the itteration feature) and i've to wait till php5 is supported till I can upload it (otherwise errors will display : fatal errors )

Latest stable version is 5.0.4

Any chance on supporting it soon as extension php5 for example?

[mellowj]

yeah more then anything in the world i would love some php5 extension if you want i can show you a link for how to do it

**** you you dumb *****

GatorJay says, "**** you you banned *****"

[MachineDog]

What the hell? You're a bad spammer. GET IN THE CAGE.

[mika76]

I'd also love php5 support in cpanel, but then again this is probably not the right place to argue this anyway, since CPanel must support it and only then will Hostgator support it.

[stevie]

Yeah I've been looking around some other hosts and very few are supporting PHP5 yet. Probably due to the lack of CP support as you say.
Just to fan the flames further...Anyone else noticed that MySQL 5 (5.0.15) went production 2 days ago? Any ideas on when this might be upgraded on HG?

[princom]

I've been wanting PHP5 since I started with HG.

Wouldn't it be possible to install PHP5, and configure Apache to use PHP5 when the extension of a file is .php5?

Yes. And it wouldn't cause any problems with Cpanel either. Don't know why they won't just do that, php5 has so many new convenient functions and the OO is nice too.

Please HG, Please.

Maybe it's to force people into buying the Dedicated plans.

[TeeJa]

Originally Posted by princom

I've been wanting PHP5 since I started with HG.



Yes. And it wouldn't cause any problems with Cpanel either. Don't know why they won't just do that, php5 has so many new convenient functions and the OO is nice too.

Please HG, Please.

Maybe it's to force people into buying the Dedicated plans.

Well, I can tell you one thing, I have a home linux box with PHP5.05 and mysql 4.1. I tried some of my scripts I run on most of my big sites. Jezzzz, broke broke big time. Going to take a long time to make the changes before I can consider PHP5.
That is probably one good reason they don't switch the resellers over. Many sites will go down, which would be like HG putting a gun to there head.... and pulling the trigger....

[MachineDog]

Alot of scripts just won't work with PHP5. There's not as many that need PHP5. There's your answer. Untill there's more that need PHP5 then won't work on it ther will be NO PHP5.

[princom]

That's why I agree with the first post in this discussion. If they install php5 and set the server to only have it effect *.php5 files it wont have any effect on any of the old php files so no sites would go down.

[MachineDog]

You can't do that though. Unless you want to write a special PHP API...

[princom]

Check this out

[pixel_lab]

I would also be interested in PHP5 - just trying to get a response from HG!

It would definitely be of use to have as an option for those resellers who know for certain that their sites will work in PHP5.

[MachineDog]

There's only a couple resellers here who want it though. What about the couple thousand that probablly don't.

[abstraktMedia]

Originally Posted by MachineDog

There's only a couple resellers here who want it though. What about the couple thousand that probablly don't.

Then they are just keeping their eyes closed because it's just a matter of time when they will have to "evolve" to php5...I've stop nagging HG for php5 as they clearly are afraid of doing anything....the same thing is with mysql 4.1....first we got "it's not production ready"...then we got "oh..the people are scared"..and now in the meantime 5.0 become production ready....so by the time HG installs php5 it is more likely that php 10 will be out...

And I don't buy that Cpanel si not working with php5...I myself found a reliable host who offers php5 and mysl 4.1 with cpanel and haven't had any problems...