Chat ?

wii · #1 07-14-2006, 07:45 AM

I´m on shared hosting.

I would like to use a chat - haven´t decided on which one yet, but are there any recommendations on a chat that I would be allowed to use. We are talking about max 50 concurrent users.

Thanks

Eric · #2 07-17-2006, 10:39 PM

I use flashchat, it's only $5 and it's ok to use on shared hosting here according to some admins. It's a really nice chat and works real good too. You can't use a chat with IRC though.

GaryW · #3 07-17-2006, 11:46 PM

I second what Eric recommended ... Have had flashchat integrated into my phpBB forum for several/many months with no major problems or cpu/bandwidth "hogging" ...

wii · #4 07-18-2006, 04:47 AM

How many users have you had online using flashchat?

Eric · #5 07-18-2006, 07:51 AM

The most I ever had (as far as I know) was somewhere around 15.

wii · #6 07-18-2006, 08:13 AM

See, that´s my problem - flashchat uses mysql, and hostgator has a limit of 30 concurrent users on mysql, so if I have 50, I will have problems.

Serra · #7 07-18-2006, 08:37 AM

The concurrent users at 30 doesn't mean that only 30 users can be using the chat at the same time.

Eric · #8 07-18-2006, 10:18 AM

It would at least be worth a try.

wii · #9 07-27-2006, 03:45 PM

So, what does it mean then ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Serra

The concurrent users at 30 doesn't mean that only 30 users can be using the chat at the same time.

lschaef · #10 07-27-2006, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wii

So, what does it mean then ?

I believe that "30 concurrent users" means that only 30 users can access MySQL at the exact same time. If 30 people are on your site they are most likely all accessing MySQL at different times.

Concurent: "At the same time. It implies that multiple processes are taking place simultaneously." http://www.answers.com/concurrent&r=67

Serra · #11 07-27-2006, 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wii

So, what does it mean then ?

It means that there can only be 30 connections at one time to the mySQL databases in an account. mySQL is very efficient, so the average connection takes about 1ms. So, in one second, 30,000 users could access a database.

When you are talking about chat, only 30 users could hit enter in the same millisecond. On average, 1200 users could be chatting at the same time without ever running into the 30 connection limit. (BTW: HG uses 25 connection limit)

Quote:

I believe that "30 concurrent users" means that only 30 users can access MySQL at the exact same time. If 30 people are on your site they are most likely all accessing MySQL at different times.

That is correct. I was reading a vBBS board and the user said that he normally has about 600 users online at the same time and never exceeds 4 connections at one time.

vtrain · #12 07-27-2006, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric

I use flashchat, it's only $5 and it's ok to use on shared hosting here according to some admins. It's a really nice chat and works real good too. You can't use a chat with IRC though.

Thanks for this advice. I installed a phpbb integrated version for a client last week and he is very happy with it. Also we were lucky and the installation came really at the right time because this week something happened that brought 50 new registrations in three days and tons of hits on his forum. The chat was there to help and created interations between this newcomers.

and I profit from all this. Besides happy customer means happy future :-)

Vt

wii · #13 08-08-2006, 07:52 AM

Ok, I will try this and see how it performs.

Thanks

vtrain · #14 08-27-2006, 09:31 PM

After looking at the logs of my client he had a phpBB forum with 150 people online (which about 50 were registed) plus 30 persons at the flashchat. This led to a server load of about 25 for 1h and he was suspended by HG, this can be read here:
http://forums.hostgator.com/showthread.php?t=10546

I do not think it was the flashchat that increased the load up to this values but the combination of the two (or more if other users on the same server were using resources). So be carefull so that it does not happen you. Also HG , after beeing informed by me about the flashchat, said it was in violation of the TOS (and I deleted as soon as - many hours after - I had ftp access).

It's the close eyes until it gives problems. Then red card

and TOS as argument.

Vtrain

vtrain · #15 09-11-2006, 07:09 AM

I nasty security issue was discovered and exploited in FlashChat:
http://www.osvdb.org/displayvuln.php?osvdb_id=28435

The author released a new version and is sending 30.000 emails to customers in the next few days.

released v4.7.0
http://forum.tufat.com/showthread.php?t=24971

Vtrain

wii · #16 06-09-2007, 02:29 AM

Well, my account was suspended because of a chat that rarely is being used, I don´t get it ! I will write to support right now.

slapshotw · #17 06-09-2007, 02:35 AM

It's still against the TOS.

wii · #18 06-09-2007, 03:09 AM

So, lots of people do it until they are caught !?

slapshotw · #19 06-09-2007, 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by wii

So, lots of people do it until they are caught !?

I can't tell if this is a question or a statement. If a statement, I'd say--assume you will caught doing anything that's against the TOS, and further assume the suspension for such actions will happen during your site's busiest time.